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Topic: Can you find Allmon SNELL in 1841 Census? Thanks to those who already tried.... (Read 703 times)
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Old Bristolian
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Hi
Could you elaborate on James/Philippa had different last names? There seem to be a few Almond ... s in Cornwall in 1841
Steve
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Without drawing the ire of the Copyright guys :-) hehe on Ancestry the names were James and Philipa MELL and children and there are BONE's with them. Philipa's maiden name was BONE. The image is so hard to read, I guess it is easy to read MELL instead of SNELL...
The Cornwall Online Census recorded Philipa and children as BELL and her husband James as SMITH.
They were apparently living at Western Boscundle in St Austell but there is no Almond with them (or Allmon, or Holman as he was recorded in the 1861 census)
I know that Philipa's parents were Thomas and Ann BONE. Also Philipa's sister appears to be Phillis. But I can't really find them in the census either.
I just can't figure out why Allmon is not with them when he is with them in 1851, at age 14. That is my problem because my line comes from Allmon and to not be able to find him in the 1841 is so frustrating.
But there seems to be a few transcription errors, SNELL recorded as SMITH, BELL etc since the image for HO107/146/4/15/31/12 is very hard to read.
I appreciate any help or advice on how to find him. Or should I just give up? As I have said in this post, Patrish and their friend searched as well. So I am just wondering as I said, was he transcribed as something else, which might mean I could never find him ... Should I just give up?
Thanks 
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I think your best bet might be to ignore any transcribed indexes and go back to the old fashioned way of searching every image for the area until you find him. Always worked in the past before there was an index. Takes a long time but usually pays dividends as you find others on the way. Just start at the beginning of the village and move on through the images. He is unlikely to be far from the parents. Have you got his birth certificate? That might show if he was registered under another name. He was obviously a very late child for Philippa. Is there any chance he could be an illegitimate child of one of their earlier children? Just a thought.
Andrea
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aussiegalx
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Thanks, that is a great suggestion about searching the actual images. One I will pass on to another relative of mine who told me about Allmon as they have Ancestry. I only have a few credits as I can't afford to pay for the whole thing.
Allmon's birth was registered as follows thanks to Patrish who found his birth
ALLMON SNELL ch. 31.1.1836 St. Stephens Brannel
Father James Snell mother Phillipa
For him being a child of one of their other children... eek lol. Patrich in this post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,246714.0.html found the rest of the family, and Charlotte is only 11 in 1841. However, there are a few BONE children, which could be Philippa's illegitimate children I wonder.. Melinda is 20 and James the 'father's is 30 so it is possible that Melinda 20, Elizabeth 15 and Fanny 15 are Philippa's children.
But James and Phillipa were married at approximately the same time as Allmon was born, in 1837 I think. Though it is confusing as their children Charlotte is 11, and Samuel is 10.
Charlotte was baptised 7 Nov 1829 according to extracted records on the IGI.
So it is very confusing, as Allmon's baptism is also recorded as being extracted
ALLMON SNELL ch. 31.1.1836 St. Stephens Brannel
So he is baptised in 1836, missing in 1841, recorded as Allmon in 1851 with James and Phillipa, as Holman (with matching wife Mary Ann) in 1861 but then he died.
If someone has to look at all the images, I will ask my newly found relative if she can. I don't want to damage anyone's eyes on here unncessarily 
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Hi aussiegalx
Is there any chance young Allmon is away with grandparents or aunts, he may have been sent on a visit, especially if there was a new baby in the house. Probably would be fairly close by! Have you looked at BONE families in the area?
Hope this helps
Cheers
Jo
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aussiegalx
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Hey
Any reply helps, thanks. I did think about this, however I am stumped as to figuring this out. There are quite a few BONE's and as for Thomas and Ann ....
This is just so frustrating lol
Thanks for your reply.
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one thing is confusing me according to the IGI James Snell and Phillipa Bone married on 4th August 1828 in St Stephen Brannel...............means James was only 17
not that this helps
sandie
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Wow that is young isn't it? Or is it in that time period.
I am wondering if Allmon will ever be found in 1841 ... grr lol
Thanks to all who are trying to help.
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Maybe I'm being stupid, but I can't see why a second marriage for Philippa has been ruled out:
Philippa m Mr Bone c 1820
Children Melinda, Elizabeth, Fanny 1821-1826
Mr Bone dies 1826-8
Philippa Bone m James Snell 1828
Charlotte, Samuel, Allmon 1829-36
Allmon could be staying with his maternal grandparents, name unknown
Steve
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Don't forget that in 1841 ages were generally rounded down to the nearest 5 so if James appears as 30 he could be up to 34.
Andrea
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sandiep
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Hi
the 1841 census by the way is online free to search at Freecen and also at the Cornwall online project
Freecen has an index, but the online project you have to search through
the area you want in the cornwall online is 107/146 book 4 Folio 32 page 12
you will find James down as Smith! and phillipa as Bell!!!
I found them through Melinda Bone however have searched but not found Allmon perhaps he was in bed 
but as I am at work!! and my eyes are seeing double now will have to stop
good luck sandie
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Have you done a thorough search of the batch number for the extracted records on the IGI? One of the entries (for Samuel James) has the parents as James and Philadelphia for instance. There are also some submitted records. If you can trace the LDS member who put them on you might be able to get more information from them. There are a lot of Bone entries on it too. Three possible baptisms for Philppa Bone.
Andrea
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aussiegalx
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I will do a more thorough search through the IGI when I wake up, being in Australia it is almost 3 am lol.
Thanks Sandie, take care of your eyes. And yes it is very confusing how they can be recorded so differently in the same family.
Andrea, yeah I had forgotten about that. So James could be 34... Interesting.
Steve, I don't think you are being stupid at all. You are thinking, which is great. I am not sure about Phillipa BONE as I thought I had found her in the IGI being born in 1780's. And since the 1841 age is rounded down and it said she was born in the 1790's'.. it is just so confusing 
If only someone could find a marriage for Phillipa to a ? BONE in St Austell/St Stephens Bramel or whatever (as I said way passed my bedtime.)
Sandie ..
If we had a copy of the parish entry to say whether Philippa was a Spinster or Widow when she married James SNELL, it would prove or disprove Steve's theory.
It is truly a mystery that is very confusing. And I am very grateful to each of you for trying to help me work it out.
Jenny
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There is a baptism in 1825 for Fanny, daughter of William Bone and Phillipa.
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