Welcome, Guest. Please login or register for free.
Did you miss your activation email?
Sunday 07 September 08 07:27 BST (UK)
Welcome Home Help Shop Search Calendar Login Register
Search Images 

Online
 
  First Name(s)

Last Name

 
News: Ad: Click here to search Ancestry.co.uk Parish and Probate records

+  RootsChat.Com
|-+  Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901)
| |-+  Scotland - General
| | |-+  Berwickshire (Moderator: RootsChat)
| | | |-+  Berwickshire - Smith
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 Print
Author Topic: Berwickshire - Smith  (Read 706 times)
Beckey
RootsChat Senior
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 441


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Berwickshire - Smith
« on: Friday 03 August 07 12:30 BST (UK) »

Looking for any information on a Alexander B.Smith (B=Brown?), born 1864 Longformacus, mother Isabella Brown, father Alexander Smith?
Unable to get birth of "scotlandspeople" say too many hits.

1871 living with mother and maternal grandparents at Stewarts Lane Cott. Edrom.
1881 living with mother & maternal grandmother Peelwalls Farm Cott. Ayton.
Both mother & son Farm Serv. 1881 and mother unmarried.

Alexander last seen as witness to grandmothers death 1887, Cocklaw,Ayton.

Not found either Isabella or Alexander in 1891
Logged

Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .
patrish
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 3432


BACK AGAIN


Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #1 on: Friday 03 August 07 14:34 BST (UK) »

What was Alexanders occuption in 81 to narrow it down please
Logged

this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith.    West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs,   Essex  Barker,   Hampshire  Kill, Kent Spong,   U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 16676



WWW
Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #2 on: Friday 03 August 07 14:45 BST (UK) »

Hi

I don't understand how you have got too many hits!

I entered Smith, Alex, male, 1864-1865, Berwickshire and Longformarcus and got one return which is no doubt him. The ref is 750 Page 5. (1864)

This will cost you 6 units (£1.20) to view and download an image of the original birth cert.

Regards

Gadget

(PS - Patrish, I'm just in for a moment  Smiley )
Logged

Website: www.ancestral-tales.co.uk



My main Surname interests are on the Surname Interests Table  http://surname.rootschat.com/ and my website (above)

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Beckey
RootsChat Senior
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 441


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 August 07 14:49 BST (UK) »

Hi every one, Alexander was a Farm Servant according to Ancestry.

Will try again on bapt. use "scotlandspeople" quite a lot and is first time said too many.
Logged

Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 16676



WWW
Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 August 07 14:52 BST (UK) »

Becky

Don't look at the Baptisms - look at the Births (1855-1906). Unless you're looking for Alexander, senior  Undecided

Gadget
Logged

Website: www.ancestral-tales.co.uk



My main Surname interests are on the Surname Interests Table  http://surname.rootschat.com/ and my website (above)

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 16676



WWW
Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 August 07 15:01 BST (UK) »

And the only one that I can find on the 1891, born Berwickshire is:
District 652/2 ED 20 Page 21

63 Burnbank Street, Coatbridge, LKS

Robert Gordon , hd, 24, railway engine stoker, b. Airdrie
Marion Gordon, 25, b. Airdire
Alexander Smith, 27, boarder, Railway Guard, b. Berwickshire

It might not be him though  Undecided

Gadget
Logged

Website: www.ancestral-tales.co.uk



My main Surname interests are on the Surname Interests Table  http://surname.rootschat.com/ and my website (above)

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Beckey
RootsChat Senior
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 441


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 August 07 15:08 BST (UK) »

Thanks again,

Got the birth, but why Alex when the cert. shows Alexander is beyond me.
Could be him in Coatbridge but probably never find out.
Logged

Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 16676



WWW
Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 August 07 15:11 BST (UK) »

A search tip for Scotlands People - only give the minimum amount of info on the names - Alex returns all names beginning with those letters, including Alexander  Smiley

Gadget

PS - have you checked him on the 1901?
Logged

Website: www.ancestral-tales.co.uk



My main Surname interests are on the Surname Interests Table  http://surname.rootschat.com/ and my website (above)

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 16676



WWW
Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 August 07 15:18 BST (UK) »

Think this is the Coatbridge one in 1901

District 652/2 ED 21 Page 5

29 Burnback St, Coatbridge:

Alexander Smith , Railway Guard, b. Duns*, Berwickshire
Christina, 37, b. Killin, Perthshire
Alexander, 5, b. Coatbridge
Donald, 1, b. Coatbridge

*Duns is very close to Edrom and Lonformacus, so it is a strong possibility  Smiley
Logged

Website: www.ancestral-tales.co.uk



My main Surname interests are on the Surname Interests Table  http://surname.rootschat.com/ and my website (above)

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Beckey
RootsChat Senior
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 441


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #9 on: Friday 03 August 07 15:51 BST (UK) »

hi Gadget,

Thanks for the kick start, it was the correct one and got his marriage to Christina Mitchell as well.

Can't understand the parents though, Alex Smith dec. and Isabella Smith nee Brown, as far as I am aware they didn't marry, at least I haven't found one, probably for decencies sake.
Logged

Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 16676



WWW
Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #10 on: Friday 03 August 07 16:02 BST (UK) »

Hi Becky

The birth cert states that he was illegitimate. Father Alexander Smith, Agricultural labourer and Isabella Brown, farm servant. As they both signed the birth cert, it meant that alexander, snr, acknowledged that he was the father.

It might be that it was a common law marriage, aknowledged under Scots law, or that Alexander, jnr, as you say, gave that info on his marriage cert for 'decency's ' sake.

It might be worth trying to find Isabella's death cert. That would clarify things  Smiley I'll have a quick look but I'm up to my eyes in moving so  Undecided

Gadget
Logged

Website: www.ancestral-tales.co.uk



My main Surname interests are on the Surname Interests Table  http://surname.rootschat.com/ and my website (above)

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 16676



WWW
Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #11 on: Friday 03 August 07 16:28 BST (UK) »

Becky

do you have any information about the Brown family - Isabella's parent's and her siblings? I've found a possible in 1891 and 1901 but I need to check if she had a brother Robert?

Gadget
Logged

Website: www.ancestral-tales.co.uk



My main Surname interests are on the Surname Interests Table  http://surname.rootschat.com/ and my website (above)

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Beckey
RootsChat Senior
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 441


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 04 August 07 10:42 BST (UK) »

Hi Gadget,

Thanks for your trouble, Isabella is one of my wife's maternal ancestors, parents Robert Brown & Mary Scott,
she had a brother Robert 1832 but have no details from 1841, she was living with her brother Alexander 1852 and mother at Ayton in 1881, but Alexander is missing 1891 at least in Berwickshire, most of the family were living in the Coldingham area around 1871.
James 1848,Adam 1837, Helen 1830,Hugh 1835.

I notice that Alexander accepted his son at birth, Isabella may have lived with him after 1887 when her mother died, but it could be common law as there is no marriage any where on "scotlandspeople".
Barry
Logged

Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 16676



WWW
Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 04 August 07 10:45 BST (UK) »

This is what I found on the 1891 and 1901, Becky. it might well be her:

1891 - District 799 ED 3 Page 20

Townhead Farm, Melrose, Roxburghshire

Robert Brown, hd, 41, farmer,   b. Greenlaw, Berwick
Isabella Brown,  sister, 44, Farmer's housekeeper, b. Swinton, Berwick
James Brown, nephew, 25, farmer, b. Coldingham, Berwick
William Miln, servant, 17,  cattleman, b. Galashiels Roxburgh

by 1901, I think they have moved back to Berwickshire

District 756 ED 1 page 14
Westertown Farm, Westruther

Robert Brown, hd, 51, farmer, b. Duns
Isabella, sister,  50, Housekeeper, b. Duns
James, nephew, 34,  farmer, b. Coldingham

I noticed that on one census she was down as born Caddington. I think it might well be a mis-reading of Coldingham.

Gadget
Logged

Website: www.ancestral-tales.co.uk



My main Surname interests are on the Surname Interests Table  http://surname.rootschat.com/ and my website (above)

Census &  BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Beckey
RootsChat Senior
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 441


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Re: Berwickshire - Smith
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 04 August 07 11:00 BST (UK) »

Thank you Gadget for your trouble, will follow those census up as they look decidingly helpful.
Logged

Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .
Pages: [1] 2 Print 
« previous next »


[Copyright] [Free RootsChat Webspace] [Your Surname Interests] [Shrink Link] [About Us] [Terms of Use]
All Census Lookups are Crown Copyright, National Archives for academic and non-commercial research purposes only
RootsChat.com cannot be held responsible directly or indirectly for the messages or content posted by others. Inline images in messages are the copyright of the respective linked sites.
RootsChat.com, Europa House, Bury, Lancashire, BL9 5BT
0.345:21