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Topic: Help needed to sort my family out Please !!! (Read 858 times)
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scoobysue
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Hi ,
I have been researching my dads family , who lived in middlesbrough.
I have got info on my dad and grandad, also gr grandad and his second wife from 1889 up to 1906, but cannot find anything before 1889.
His name was john lowrie/lowery/lowrey(any spellings ) b1851 in newcastle , on his 2nd marraige cert it states that john's father was also named john , was deceased occ was a caster .
on census (1889-1901) john b1851 occupation was engineman or steam engineman also steamcrane driver .
Can anyone please help i am running out of time and just dont know how to link john back any further .
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Sue
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lizdb
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So - was your grandad a son of John Lowry's first or second marriage? His birth cert will clarify that.
Do you know his first wife's name? Or when she died? Finding that will help locate him in previous censuses.
Dont try and run before you can walk!
You say you are 'running out of time' - but genealogy is not a quick hobby!
PS you say he was born 1851 in Newcastle. Have you found his birth, or is this just an estimation from the 1901 census details?
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Have you got access to the 1881 census - how about this chap who was a Lodger, and a Steam Engineman ...
RG11/4903; Folio: 7; Page: 7 - Chilton, Stockton District
will need to go back to find him with parents ...
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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lizdb
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In 1881 census there is a John Lowrey, born approx 1851 as age 30, born in Durham, who is a steam engineman. He is living at Dean Bridge Chilton as a Lodger with the Hodgson family
RG11 4903 7 7
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scoobysue
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Hi both ,
I am looking for John Lowrie b1851 , i have his marraige cert to Hannah Maria Jones nee french (this was there 2nd marraige) .
I am having lots of problems as all census state different birth place , i have got the info of john been a lodger , and there is a strong possibility that is him .
I cannot find any reference to his 1st marraige , I do know that johns father was named john also , i have spent weeks looking thru ancestry for a john b1851 with father named john .
I seem to be going round in circles .
I have been doing this tree mainly for my mum as a birthday present in sept she will be 83 and has not been well lately thats why i said i am running out of time .
Sue x
Ps , born in newcastle was from the 1901 census .
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rosie99
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I can get to it before you do!!
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There is a baptism for John Lowrey father John in Newcastle c1850, I'll pm it to you
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scoobysue
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Hi Barbara,
Yes you did you found me my gr grandad john lowrie b1851 i got his marriage cert and grandad james lowrie's birth cert and it all matched but since then i have been looking for john lowrie b1851 to trace him back so i could get his birth cert , but with no luck , i dont know how to put the bits i have together to get to his birth , i was hoping someone else might see what i cant .(if you know what i mean ) .
The help you and revmother2 gave me was fantastic . I cant thank you enough for that .
Rosey thanks for that . i will take a look at it .
sue xx
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scoobysue
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Nice to finally meet you also ,
My cousin got the birth cert for my grandad james , the 1 you found for us , and on it said his father was john lowrie a steamcrane driver , widower and he as been giving me more of an headache than james did .  .
I got john lowrie (james's parents ) marriage cert and it did all tie in with hannah jones as his second wife . But as i said i cannot get back any further than that , i can find info but dont know how to tie it all together so i can send for john's birth cert . Hence this plea for help .
sue x
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Hi Sue,
Just updating this after pm's.
We are now looking for the baptism c.1851 and first marriage 1881-1889 of John Lowrie/Laurie, occupation engine man born either Newcastle or Scotland, (from 1891/1901 census info) with a father John, occupation Carter (from 2nd marriage cert).
The 1851 census Newcastle looks very likely for the parents:
HO107/2406 fol.415 p.29 St. Nicholas Newcastle
John Lawrie head m 25 Carter Jedburgh Scotland
Ann " wife m 24 Warkworth, Northumberland
Thomas " brother m 28 Miller Jedburgh Scotland
Will try to find them in later census
There's a marriage June Qu 1849 Newcastle 25/383 for John Lawrie with Ann Luke on the same page - possible??
Barbara
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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There's a John Lowrie aged 15 on 1841 Scottish census
all born Roxburghshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Southdean
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Cleethaugh
Parish Number: 806
John Bell 25 Ag. Lab
John Cowan 14 Ag. Lab
Thomas Kennedy 30 M.S.
John Lowrie 15 Ag. Lab
Have you tried to find this John's birth on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ?
Barbara
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Census and bmd information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.ukNorfolk - Ebbs Whiterod Zipfell Lincs & Yorks - Sivills Predgen Sweden - Jönsson Cronberg Andersson Yorks - Spence Hide Hird Durham - Dalkin Selby Renwick Somerset - Keen Hitchins |
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FreeBMD has the following birth:
John LOWREY born in the September quarter 1850 in Newcastle upon Tyne.
And the IGI has the following baptism:
John LOWREY, parents John LOWREY & Anne, bap Saint Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne, 5 Nov 1850
But if this is the right chap, where is he in the 1851 census!!
The IGI has the following extracted entries for the same place (St Nicholas, Newcastle) and same parents, John LOWREY & Ann(e):
Ann LOWREY bap 25 May 1846
Mary LOWREY bap 11 Jun 1848
John LOWREY bap 5 Nov 1850
Ann LOWRY bap 1 Mar 1852
{Elizabeth LOWREY bap 20 May 1857
{Ann LOWREY bap 20 May 1857
There's also the following LDS submission:
Ann LOWRIE or LOWRY, b 1852, Newcastle, parents John LOWRIE or LOWRY and Ann LUKE; d 1920.
All very confusing.
If the family which Barbara found in 1851 could be found on the 1861 and 1871 censuses, this might sort things out?
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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Looked for John Lowrie and Ann on later census returns without success but may have found the reason on Ancestry. There is a Oneworld tree that appears to place them in Victoria Australia by 1858 - Ann died there in 1873 and John in 1914 according to the tree.
IF this is the same family - their son John (b.1854?) also died in Australia 
Pinetree
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