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Topic: Help needed to sort my family out Please !!! (Read 765 times)
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Many thanks you two for coming in on this one, it's been a real head-scratcher, Sue & I going round in circles
That's good to know Ann Luke is a definite, perhaps Sue can get that certificate, and if they went to Australia that would sort that, but the death of their son John there throws a bit of a spanner in the works....
Barbara
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So it's looking as though this isn't the right family 
It's very hard when (the right) John's birthplace was given as Glasgow, Scotland in 1901 and as Newcastle, Northumberland in 1891. And possibly as an unknown place in Durham in 1881 (if that's the same John as in 1891 and 1901).
JAP
PS: Just for completeness/interest.
Ann LOWRIE, b NORT, died aged 47 in 1873 in Victoria, parents James LUKE & Ann NICHOL. Right age for that Ann of the 1851 census.
There's the marriage of a James LUKE and Ann NICHOL in the IGI, 1820, Howick, Northumberland.
In Victoria, John LOWRIE, parents John LOWRIE & Ann LUKE, died aged 74 in 1928 (i.e. b ca 1854) in Pine Grove.
In Victoria, John LOWRIE & Ann LUKE had:
*Christina b Hamilton, 1859
*James Luke b Hamilton, 1861 (died age 15 in 1877)
*Andrew b Byam, 1863
*Edward b Bran, 1865 (died age 84 in Echuca in 1949)
*Walt b Branchholm, 1867 (died as Walter aged 71 in 1939 in Echuca; father's name given as John Scott Lowrie)
*Helen b Branxholme, 1869 (died as Ellen ZEALLEY aged 56 in 1926 in Eca)
*Thomas b Bran, 1871 (died aged 3 weeks)
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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JAP
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Unfortunately I don't have access to censuses (other than the 1881 on FamilySearch) but it looks as though the 1871 and 1861 censuses (both England and Scotland  ) are going to have to be given a good going over.
Looking for a John LOWREY (spelled and/or mistranscribed any which way) born ca 1851 (that seems to be the only constant!) and born who knows where ...
I guess in 1861, as he's would have been aged only about 10, he should be with his father John (that is, assuming that he was telling the truth about his father and assuming that the father was still alive in 1861).
What a needle in a haystack!
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Tell me about it 
The 1851 census Newcastle
John Lawrie head m 25 Carter Jedburgh Scotland
Ann " wife m 24 Warkworth, Northumberland
Thomas " brother m 28 Miller Jedburgh Scotland
Sue's found brother Thomas (possibly) in Scotland in 1841:
Brachend, Crailing Roxburghshire
Thomas Lawrie 18 Miller b.Roxburghshire, Scotland
others on page:
William Murray 14 Isabella Reston 23 George Robson 47
Isabella Turnbull 10 John Turnbull 13
So if this is John's brother, again on his own in 1841, it's going to be hard to find the parents in 1841 without children to confirm things.
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Hi Pinetree and Jap,
I would like to thank you for all your help , and advice on tracing my Gr Grandad john .
I have spend the last few weeks going through census 1861/71 in england , and also scotland looking for any link to john . I have today sent for a birth cert for John Lowrey b1851 south shields , vol 24 page 231 , i will update you on this when i get the said cert .
Once again i cant thank you all enough for your help , you are life savers .
Best regards
Sue x
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