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Topic: USA births 1867,69,78 (Read 4992 times)
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philipsearching
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I was a beautiful baby, - what went wrong?
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I am trying to get hold of a birth certificate to find out the mother's maiden name. All the information I have is from the 1880 Boston Massachussetts census:
parents - William and Elizabeth Cordner
daughter Mary born 1867 Pennsylvania
daughter Kathleen born 1869 Michigan
daughter Ethel born 1878 Massachussetts
Can anyone advise me how to proceed. I have looked through the "useful links" section but can't find anything to help.
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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aghadowey
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Had a quick look for Michigan birth as that might be the easiest. Good news is that State registration of births started 1867. However, some pre-1906 births not filed with State but may be available from County Clerk.
Any idea where in Michigan they lived? Where they there in 1870 census?
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philipsearching
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Many thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, the only information I have is as quoted from the 1880 census - I have not found the family on any other census or tracked down any registered births.
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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aghadowey
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Bit of a puzzle this one. Checked Mass. Vital records 1841-1910 and no Cordner births (possibly under another spelling?) and only a few deaths but index does not list names of parents.
Went to 1880 census where you located the family in Boston and LDS site has Mary born c1867 in LA (Louisiana not Pennsylvania)- have you seen PA somewhere else?
There are also lots of other chuldren listed. Do you have any idea where in Canada they would have been living when Alice was born?
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aghadowey
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1891 Census- England (Middlesex): Kathleen Cordner born c1869 U.S.
1900 Census- New York: Auckland B. Cordner born c1862 Ireland
Ellis Island- Auckland B. Cordner:
1895 (age 32) publisher on "Lucania"
1903 (age 43y 9m), Insurance, U.S. citizen "Campania" with wife Bernice
1904 (age 42) Insurance manager "Etruria" with wife Bernice
1909 (age 49) on "Lucania"
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philipsearching
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Whoops - I had a "mad moment" and typed Pennsylvania instead of Louisiana for Mary's birthplace. A family myth put her birth in Luzern, Pennsylvania but there is no proof of this.
Many thanks for the information on Auckland. This family moved about so much that it's difficult to pin them down. Without a birth certificate I can't track mother Elizabeth's maiden name.
Mary was my great grandmother - she married John Henry James and returned settled in England.
Children not born in USA were Edwin (c1861 England), Auckland (c1863 Ireland), Alice (c1865 Canada). I can't find Edwin on FreeBMD and I wouldn't know where to begin hunting in Ireland or Canada.
This is my second most troublesome brick wall and I would love to crack it open!
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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aghadowey
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Checked some Louisiana records for Mary's birth but date is a bit early.
What about William & Elizabeth's marriage? that should give her maiden name.
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philipsearching
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I was a beautiful baby, - what went wrong?
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I don't know where, when or if William and Elizabeth were married, so I can't track Elizabeth's maiden name that way.
A fellow Rootschatter has found on the 1891 England census:
Alice Cordner born c1865 Montreal, Canada
Kathleen Cordner born c1869 St Louis USA
Pauline Cordner born c1876 Boston, USA
This gives me some hope that by knowing the birth cities I have a better chance of finding the births registered.
The hunt goes on!
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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aghadowey
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Now I see the problem. I checked Michigan for Kathleen's birth (and found nothing) but St. Louis is probably the one in Missouri! They certainly moved around!!!
And who is Pauline born c1876 Boston (1891 census)? What happened to Ethel born c1878 Mass. (1880 Census)?
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aghadowey
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Missouri records to search on-line:
www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/birthdeath/
need to check other counties besides just St. Louis/St. Louis city.
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Genealiza
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Just to jump in here for a minute. I too have been looking at this family and found that there is a Pauline Dorothy Cordner, b. 1900 England, who is returning with Auckland and Bernice, in 1904, I believe. She is located further down the passenger list.
Also found an article in The NY Times; dated August 10, 1898:
A.B. Cordner Arrested
He is charged with Forgery in Connecticut to the Extent of $3000.
New London, Conn., Aug. 9--Auckland B. Cordner of St. Louis was to-day arrested by Connecticut officers on a warrant charging forgery to the extent of $3000. He was locked up, and will be held until requisition papers are received from Missouri. Mr. and Mrs. Cordner arrived here early in Jun., and have occupied Actor James O'Neill's cottage, Monte Cristo. They at once gained entree to New London swell Summer society, and entertained most lavishly.
The specific charge entered in the complaint was using the name of United States Judge Elmer B. Adams of the Eastern District of Missouri.
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Atkinson, Wearing/Warton Lanc, :Hayhurst,Kendall/Kirkby Lonsdale West,Barrow-in-Furness Lanc
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aghadowey
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That's a great find. Wonder if there's a link between Kathleen Cordner supposedly born in St. Louis (Missouri?) and what seems to be her brother using the name of a Judge from Missouri?
1909 was the last time I found Auckland Cordner on Ellis Island site but unfortunately that page came up blank when I tried to view the original manifest.
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Genealiza
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In the 1920 census, "Aucland" is in New Rochelle, Westchester, New York, still an insurance agent (working on own account). With him are his wife, Berniece, and children: Paula B, 20 b. England, immig 1903, and Sandys(son), 13, b. England, immig 1909. It seems strange that each child was born in England by a woman living in New York who was born in Minnesota. Could these children be adopted from one of Auckland's sisters? In the Free BMD website, it has Alice's marriage to William Henry James. She is listed as the following: Alice Vernon S Cordner, Alice Vernon Sandys-Cordner. Seem like Sandys, the son, may be related to her. In 1910, Auckland and Bernice have been married 19 years and only have 1 child, born in England, to show for it. Where is Sandys? Is he still with his birth mother in England?
In 1930, Bernice is still living in New Rochelle and is listed as a widow. Therefore, the possibility of getting a death certificate for Auckland, is highly probable. He has to die between 1920 and 1930, most probably in New Rochelle, Westchester, New York. I also found Marriage licenses for both Paula P (1924), and Sandys (1926) in New Rochelle.
A final thought, with Auckland being such an unusual name, I looked for the frequency of it in England and there are a lot of them. Could Elizabeth's maiden name be "Auckland"?
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