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aghadowey
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1930 census- wonder if Auckland is really dead or if he's away somewhere (like gaol?) and Bernice listed herself as widow to explain his absence (know of a few cases where this happened).
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philipsearching
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Many thanks to you all for your posts.
Auckland is by no means the first dodgy ancestor in my tree. The Cordner family seem to specialise in running foul of the law (I wonder if that's why they emigrated). Great-aunt Nora Ruth Cordner James (daughter of Mary Cordner) wrote a novel which was banned as being obscene.
I now have a fair amount of information on the descemndants of William Cordner and Elizabeth, but I am still hunting for Elizabeth's maiden name. I tried a phonetic search on FreeBMD for a marriage between Auckland and Cordner, but no luck there.
The search goes on.
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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aghadowey
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The way this family moved around it's hard to know where any of them actually died so a bit difficult to get a death certificate.
See new possible leads on other thread under Montreal birth c1865:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,248718.msg1371207.html#msg1371207 (now closed)
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aghadowey
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If Auckland died while living apart from wife, children, etc. there might not be much useful information on his death certificate.
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Genealiza
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I'm sorry I don't understand your reasoning. He (Auckland)
is in the New Rochelle census for 1920 along with wife, Bernice, dau, Paula, and son, Sandys. He has also been with Bernice in the 1900 and 1910 census and according to the census information, he was married abt 1890. In 1920 he has his own insurance agency. In 1930, wife, Bernice is listed as a widow living in New Rochelle, and the children have both obtained a marriage license(1924/1926) in New Rochelle and have moved out. Everything points to Auckland having died between 1920 and 1930 in New Rochelle.
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Atkinson, Wearing/Warton Lanc, :Hayhurst,Kendall/Kirkby Lonsdale West,Barrow-in-Furness Lanc
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philipsearching
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The story so far (in brief)
Starting with the USA 1880 census:
William Cordner (born c1841 Ireland) married Elizabeth (born c1843 England)
Children were:
Edwin b c1861 England
Aukland b c1863 Ireland
Alice b c1865 Canada
Mary b c1867 Louisiana
Kathleen b c1869 MI (Michigan?, Missouri?)
Ethel b c1878 Massachussetts
1891 England census adds the following information:
Elizabeth S Cordner is a widow, born in Longford, Ireland
Alice was born c1865 Montreal, Canada
Kathleen was born c1869 St Louis, USA
Pauline b c1876 Boston USA
There is no trace of Edwin on FreeBMD
Auckland married Berenice, children were Paula B and Sandys. On the 1930 census Berenice was listed as a widow
Alice Vernon Sandys Cordner married William Henry Trewartha James in England, they had a son Denis(?)
Maria Massereene Cordner married John Henry James in England (my great-grandparents) The marriage certificate gives her father's name as William Thompson Cordner , banker (deceased). Witnessed by Elizabeth Sandys Cordner. I have all the information needed on this line.
Kathleen Cordner - I am not researching
Pauline Cordner - not researching
Ethel Cordner - not researching
FreeBMD has birth of Elizabeth Ann Sandys Jun 1843 Westminster vol 1 p420
21Sep 1860 Aghaderg Co Down William Bell Cordner 20 son of William Cordner married Eliza Aldwell Sandys 19 daughter of Bazee Sandys (could you tell me the source for this, Aghadowey? - IGI lists Eliza Aldwell)
I think there is enough evidence to suggest that Elizabeth Cordner's maiden name was Sandys. I am confused by the 1891 census giving her birthplace as Ireland while the 1880 US census states England. Could someone be kind enough to see if Elizabeth appears on the 1901 England census?
This is going amazingly well - the brick wal is being smashed to rubble and the bruises on my head are fading!
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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shellyesq
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I didn't see any Elizabeths in 1901 that seemed to match.
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J.J.
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genealiza! You really opened up the door for all this with your sleuthing
and...Paula B? Named after her sister no doubt... and maybe a middle name of Bell?
Births December Q. 1900
Pauline James Hendon vol.3a page 170
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aghadowey
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Marriage of William Bell Cordner to Eliza Aldwell Sandys is from BVRI (British Vital Records Index) version 2 which differs slightly from entry in IGI. Eliza' father down as Bazee Sandys but could be a mis-transcription although I can't think what else it could possibly be instead.
Now for a few questions, Philip. I know you said you are not researching Ethel born c1878 Mass. (1880 census) or Pauline born c1876 Boston (1891 census) but are these the same person? Otherwise, where is four or so year old Pauline on 1880 census?
Is Maria Massereene Cordner the same child as Mary (born c1867 Louisiana)?
Kathleen appears in 1880 & 1891 as born c1869. MI is offical abreviation for the state of Michigan and MO for Missouri but thinks it's more likely that Kathleen was born in St. Louis, Missouri than somewhere in Michigan.
If Elizabeth Cordner is not in 1901 English census could she have remarried bet.1891 and 1901?
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J.J.
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well, perhaps it might just be? BASIL SANDYS? This one was
Christenied: August 31 , 1800 Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
( whose father's name happens to be EDWIN SANDYS, mother CATHERINE but all may be just coincidence.... )
Deaths Sept. Q 1900
William J Cordner age 48 - Islington vol. 1b page162
aghadowey , you killl me.....
could you come and do my searches for me?  J.J.
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J.J.
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Oh, yes, and forgot ( re/: Eliz. born Ire or Eng.?) to add that sometimes people remember where they were raised for Censuses and sometime they remember where they were born....That's something we've all run into...My great grandfather had, if i recall 3 different places from where he hailed...and he was a very smart man...So what comes into the brain at the time is what comes out J.J.
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philipsearching
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Hallo, Shelleyesq - many thanks for checking the 1901 census for Elizabeth. I have just checked FreeBMD and found a death for Elizabeth Ann Cordner in Hampstead in 1896 aged 52 which is probably her. I will order it and see what it tells me.
Hallo, Aghadowey
Thanks for the marriage reference
It seems odd that child Ethel appears in 1880 then disappears in 1891 (unless she went to boarding school or was visiting elsewhere) whilePauline appears in 1891 but is not shown in 1880. Pauline does not show up on the FamilySearch index of the USA 1880 census. It is tempting to believe that they are the same person, but this will have to wait until I can prove it.
Mary Cordner is Maria Massereene Cordner. I have been working on the hypothesis that the Cordners came from Belfast / Antrim because a Clement K Cordner living in Antrim was agent for the Massereene estate in 1900 - it seems to be more than just a coincidence.
There is a St Louis in Michigan, but given that the family were well-off and enjoyed social status Missouri does seem more likely. I checked the Missouri births on the link you provided but could't find anything resembling Cordner.
I am wondering if Bazee is a mistranscription of Basil.
Hallo, JJ
Mary Cordner and husband John Henry James settled in England. Three of their children were born in Hampstead (1893-98) and one in Hendon (1905). I don't know how Pauline fits in, but I am sure she must.
I will order the birth certificate for Elizabeth who was born in Westminster 1843 to see if the father's name is Bazee (or anything similar)
and last but not least, hallo Genealisa and Patrexjax - many thanks for your research on Auckland
It's one o'clock in the morning and I'm feeling too excited to sleep!
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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