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SueTeakle
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Hi John, the IGI has a baptism listing for Samuel Wilks, 26th December 1787 at St Michaels, Gloucester, parents Charles & Elizabeth Wilks.
Marriage - Samuel Wilks & Maria Holder
15th December 1807 at St Mary De Lode, Gloucester
Sorry but I can`t find anything on Maria.
Sue
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Gillg
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John
I will be visiting Gloucester Record Office in the next few days, so will keep an eye open for the marriage and baptism records of Samuel and Maria and their children.
Gillg
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Gillg
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Incidentally, John, St Mary de Lode is probably the oldest parish church in Gloucester. It's my parish church, and you can find several pictures of it on Genuki and other sites. It stands close to the Cathedral, and next to it is a statue of Bishop Hooper, unfortunately burned at the stake on the orders of Queen Mary Tudor (aka "Bloody Mary") in 1555 because he refused to turn back to the Catholic faith.
St Catherine's Church is a mile or so away, but I believe it has been moved from another site to its present day one, as this church was built in 1915, replacing one on the same site built 1868. I'm not sure where St Catherine's was in the early 1800s, but the RO will know.
Gillg
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY, CHURCH from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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ChasH
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From the above could parish records be checked to see if the marriage in 1807 provides parent details for Samuel and Maria . . . . snip . . .
John,
It is my opinion based on experience of searches covering records from thirty GLS villages/towns, that marriage records of 1807 will not give either of the parents' names of the bride and groom. By that year many C of E churches were using a pre-printed register book giving the sort of information found in the Berkeley parish church marriage register, viz:-
" 'Thomas Walkley' of 'this' Parish and 'Ellen Allen' of 'this' Parish were married in this 'church' by 'Banns' with consent of 'all parties' this 'twenty fifth' Day of 'June' in the Year One thousand eight hundred and 'thirty seven'
By me 'John Maynard - Curate'
This Marriage was solemnized between us ('Thomas Walkley's mark X'
........................................................('Ellen Allen's mark |'
In the Presence of (Three witnesses who each made their mark)"
The 'words' are handwritten and there are three such entries per page and such a book was in use at North Nibley as early as 1787.
Prior to such registers, the parish records give names of the couple being married, the date and sometimes how they were married - by Banns or Licence. The records of Banns do not record the parents' names.
A month after the above Berkeley marriage record, a new format of pre-printed marriage register was introduced in C of E churches and it shows the same named columns as a marriage cert. except for the registrar of course!
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Chas.
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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SueTeakle
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John I have sent you a PM 
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Gillg
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John
I'm afraid there is, as you suspect, no answer to the length of time needed in the RO. Sometimes you are lucky straight away, and at other times you can spend several hours and still get nowhere. But I only live about 10 minutes walk away, and have quite a bit of spare time, so that's no problem. At least you have given me some information for a starting point. Some people just give a name and a rough guess at date and place!
Here's hoping I can find at least some of what you are seeking.
Gillg
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John
I'm afraid there is, as you suspect, no answer to the length of time needed in the GRO. Sometimes you are lucky straight away, and at other times you can spend several hours and still get nowhere. But I only live about 10 minutes walk away, and have quite a bit of spare time, so that's no problem. At least you have given me some information for a starting point. Some people just give a name and a rough guess at date and place!
Here's hoping I can find at least some of what you are seeking.
Gillg
Gillg
Great, you might save me the airfare, but I would still like to visit in due course. When I look up my Wilkes relo's in the Gloucester area there seems to be no shortage, at least in the 1800's.
I would be greatfull of all information, at this stage I only need go back one step at a time.
Charles 1823 is my ancestor and he came to Australia in 1854 on 'Kate', his father was Samuel the pinner as mentioned and mother Maria.
At the time of departure Charles had resided in Westminster as a stone mason with wife Mary Piggin and 3 sons, he married Mary at St Martin's in the Fields in 1842.
John
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WILKES WILKS; Gloucester
PIGGIN; Leicester
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Gillg
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Hi John
The story so far......
Marriage of Samuel Wilks and Maria Holder, both of this parish (St Mary de Lode). Married by Banns 15th December 1807 by vicar Charles Palmer.
Samuel Wilkes (sic) signed in a nice fair hand, but Maria only made her mark. Witnesses were Charles Hanman (X mark) and H Birt, who was probably a clerk, as he appears on several other marriages on the page. I have a nice clear photocopy of this, which I can send you if you let me have your email address in a PM.
Baptism of Samuel Wilks 26 December 1787, son of Charles and Elizabeth Wilks at St Michael's Church. This church has now been demolished apart from the tower, though you can see an old picture of it and also St Mary de Lode if you Google City of Gloucester Places of Worship. I can copy this entry, too, if you wish.
Maria Holder remains a mystery. I have searched through the baptisms of all the Gloucester churches except St Catherine's, which is on film rather than fiche, so I need to go back for that one. It doesn't look as though she was a Gloucester girl, but the local FHS have a helpful county register of baptisms which I could look at another day.
From the baptism records of his children at St Catherine's your Samuel was a "Pinner" or pin maker. Gloucester was at the centre of the pin-making industry for a couple of centuries, until one of the major factory owners went bust at the beginning of the 1800s.
The baptisms of most of the children were easy to find from the information you had given me, though again there's still Ann to chase up on film. The other dates were:
24th March 1814 William Wilkes, son of Samuel and Maria Wilkes
5th April 1816 Samuel
12th March 1819 Edwin
5th December 1821 Harriet
18th January 1824 Charles - you have 1823, which I guess is the year of his birth
I tried to photocopy Charles' entry, but it was too faint and spotty on the copy, despite the best efforts of myself and the archivist.
As far as the time goes, it took about 20 minutes to find Samuel's baptism, marriage and the baptisms of the 5 out of 6 children. I spent the next 2 hours searching in vain for Maria. That's the way the cookie crumbles.... 
I'll be going back later this week to do some other jobs, so I'll look for Maria and Ann then.
Regards,
Gill
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ChasH
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Hi John
Big snip
I tried to photocopy Charles' entry, but it was too faint and spotty on the copy, despite the best efforts of myself and the archivist.
Snip
Regards,
Gill
By using a digital camera and some decent photo software you might be able to change the contrast etc. and make it just readable.
Regards
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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Gillg
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Thanks Chas
I'm not sure what Gloucester RO's policy is on people taking photos. Wouldn't you need to have the original document to do this? The ROs I have had dealings with (and sadly I don't include Gloucester, which is on my doorstep, but of no relevance to my family at all) prefer to take the photos themselves, and have charged me around £5 for doing so. Also I must confess that I'm quite clueless with digital cameras.  But I'll inquire at the RO on my next visit.
Regards,
Gill
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Gillg
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John
I'm sending you a PM as well, but just in case any other Wilks/Wilkes folks are reading this, had you noticed that Charles' brother Edwin seems to have named his son Samuel?
8 Oct 1837 Samuel, son of Edwin & Keziah baptised at St Nicholas Church, Gloucester
If this is the right Edwin, he married Keziah Parry at Churcham, just outside Gloucester, 28.06.1837 (just in time!). However, the marriage is a member's submission on the IGI, so beware, as always, and it's just too early to check on Free BMD.
Regards
Gill
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Gillg
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Just found a possible Maria Holder on the IGI, daughter of John and Mary Holder, christened 20 Feb 1788 at Painswick, a few miles away from Gloucester. In fact she seems to be the only Maria Holder, though there are several Marys in Gloucestershire around the right time. It would have been better if her mother's name had been Ann, since she named her first daughter Ann. This is an extracted entry, so reliable. What do you think?
Gill
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