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Topic: James BRUCE, Cranshaws (Read 906 times)
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EDO
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Good morning Members,
I am attempting to find my G.Grandfather - James BRUCE who was born c1791:
I know it might be an impossible task, but here's trying!! 
I note that there was a James BRUCE born in Cranshaws c1791; [another in Westruther in 1793].
My James BRUCE came to Van Diemen's Land [Tasmania] Australia prior to 1845.
He then married my G.Grandmother, Ann FOLEY [nee McALISTER], a widow, on the 24 Sep 1845 in Hobart Tasmania. Records are limited:
On their Marriage Certificate, James BRUCE was described as a Gardener. He was later described as a Labourer/Servant and on their daughter's Marriage Certificate, as a Clerk.
nb. There was another James BRUCE in Tasmania at the time. He had married Christine MITCHEL prior to coming to Australia.
Is there any chance that somebody has this James BRUCE in their Family Tree, OR, knows that he came to Australia prior to 1845?
I realize that it will be a difficult task: I cannot find any trace of his entry into Australia: This is not entirely unusual.
Any snippet of information will be greatly appreciated. 
Thank you for reading this request .....
EDO
in Brisbane
 
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Gadget
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Hi EDO
For what it's worth, there's only one James Bruce in Berwickshire (Westruther) on the 1841 and born approx that time. He is a cowman and married to a Betty. Children are Isabella, Jennet and Margaret.
So yours might have come before 1841. Would you like a check on the 1851?
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Yep. He's still there on the 1851 with Betty, so yours came before 1841, I'd say, and is not the 1793, Westruther one
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...and no others of that age in the rest of Scotland or England
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EDO
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Good evening Gadget
Good to converse with you again away from the YTs!!!. 
I had just found the Westruther notation and modified my posting when your reply appeared.
My James BRUCE appears to have remained in Australia for the rest of his life, [in Tasmania and then Victoria], so there is not much point in pursuing the 1851 Census.
Thank you very much for your time and effort on my behalf.
Obviously BRUCE will be virtually impossible to trace without shipping / migration even transportation records.
The person he married, ie. my G.Grandmother was transported in 1843 on the female convict ship "WOODBRIDGE".
The BRUCE name has been carried on through the generations as a surname and a christian name [male and female]. My christian / forename is also Bruce.....
Regards
EDO
in Brisbane
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Gadget
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Not quite sure what else you want , EDO 
I have proved that the man you wish is not the Westruther one, so it is possibly the other one. If he left before 1841, then the only other records that you might want to check are marriage/banns on Scotlands People or the IGI or the available emmigrant lists.
If you put up the parents' names of the 1791 person, someone might recognise them as ancestors.
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Gadget
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George Bruce and Elisabeth Gillie had the following children bpt Cranshaws between 1780 and 1800:
1785 Elspeth
1787 Peter
1789 Alexander
1791 James
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EDO
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G'day again Gadget,
Sorry to persist in worrying you on my personal research.
From my original posting --
"I am attempting to find my G.Grandfather - James BRUCE who was born c1791: I know it might be an impossible task, but here's trying!!
I note that there was a James BRUCE born in Cranshaws c1791; [another in Westruther in 1793].
My James BRUCE came to Van Diemen's Land [Tasmania] Australia prior to 1845."
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"Is there any chance that somebody has this James BRUCE in their Family Tree, OR, knows that he came to Australia prior to 1845?
I realize that it will be a difficult task: I cannot find any trace of his entry into Australia: This is not entirely unusual."
Now, this is where I am at.
From my postings over the past 10 years, a response from a person unknown [the Email address did not respond!] drew my attention to the fact that there was a James BRUCE in Cranshaws, so, through RootsChat, I pursued that line in an endeavour to find IF that was the person I was looking for:
I did not intend to convey that my James BRUCE definitely came from Cranshaws. All I know was that he stated he came from Scotland.
In a far-off place that Tasmania was in the 1840s there was apparently not much regard for precise information even though he was marrying a convict and had an official "Permission to Marry'.
I could add that 3 months' after the birth of his daughter in 1847, he was in Victoria described as a 'vagrant'. His wife, who had been transported in 1843, was again convicted of a larceny offence some 6 months' later! Times were obviously tough.
I appreciate your time and assistance very much.
I will now search the GRO etc. This aspect of my search / research will not be over until I can ensure that this James BRUCE is my man!!
You have used the anagram "SP". It is a 'term' I do not know.
May I ask you to kindly give me further directions?
Sincerely
EDO
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Gadget
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Hi EDO
First, SP refers to the Scotlands People website, seen by most of we Scottish researchers as the main source for online baptism/marriage/banns/wills and official(1855 and after) BMD records in Scotland www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It is a pay to view site but fairly cheap.
The online IGI covers many, but not all of the old parish records and many BMDs to 1860s/70s. Other sources are more local. The early church-source records are principally those derived from the Church of Scotland registers that have survived. Roman Catholic and other non-conformist records are patchy. Death records before 1855 are sparce. Instead, there is a reliance on Monumental Inscriptions, so the vast majority of deaths go unrecorded because not many people had head stones.
Turning to your James Bruce. Your message seemed to imply that he was born circa 1791 in Cranshaws, Berwickshire. I therefore based my searches on that. My searches on the 1851 were based on a James Bruce, b.c. 1791, Berwickshire and my results were that there were none in England or Scotland except for the Westruther man.
I assume that you have run a check on other James Bruce b.c. 1791 in Scotland who survived.
Regards
Gadget
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Gadget
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Hi Becky
See my messages #1 and 2 and EDOs subsequent messages of last night..
EDO is not looking for the Westruther James Bruce. it is the Cranshaws one that is the possiblily as he doesn't appear on any of the censuses. I have found his baptism, parents and siblings.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi EDO
I've had a look at the 1851 Census for Scotland and there are 15 James Bruce who are in the the broad birth date range of 1788-93, that you can discount!
They were born:
Lonmay, Aberdeen 1788
Bower, Caithness 1789
Cranshaws (ugh - but it is the 1793 one living Westruther and married to Betty!)
Gamrie, Banff 1793
Bathgate, Linlithgow 1790
Errol, Perth 1792
Alyth, Perth
Dundee 1792
St Fergus, Aberdeen 1790
Caputh, Perth 1791
Wick 1791
Meigle, Forfar 1791
Forgue?, Aberdeen 1791
?, Aberdeen 1791
Locheil or Lochel, Aberdeen 1791
So you can cross these off your list
Gadget
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