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Gadget
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I think that they might have been poor Becky. Have you got time to check up on the ones that I listed above with any James Bruces bpt circa 1791 on IGI. The ones that aren't on my list are likely to be either EDOs or dead.
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Hi EDO and Becky
I've just looked on the IGI for James Bruce bpt 1788 - 1793 anywhere in Scotland. There are 93, quite a few duplicates.
Perhaps EDO could print them off and check them against my 1851 listing.
EDO - are you sure he came from Berwickshire?
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Hi EDO
I've had a gander at the various Convicts and Settlers lists for before 1845. There are two James Bruce who caught my eye in the Convicts Muster 1806-1849 NSW and Tasmania
James Bruce, convicted Edinburgh, 14 years, Freed. It says he sailed in 1834 on the Moffatt but then there's 1845 underneath. maybe that's when he was released.
also one who went to Tasmania in 1835 on the Moffatt but not definitely from Scotland.
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Good morning Giadget, Becky et al
Many, many thanks or the time and effort you have put into assisting my search for the Roots of James BRUCE b c1791.
He did marry with official permission, a female convict, in Hobart [VDL] Tasmania in 1845: Also, it appears that he never ever left the shores of OZ to return to his native Scotland. Despite his age he fathered 2 [more] children.
Apparently, it would only be the 1841 Census, or earlier, that he could have appeared on.
I have no information, to date, on when he reached Australian shores. He was a Free settler.
I will research all of the information that has been forwarded to reduce the size of the possibilities.
No, I did not state that he came from Berwickshire: Although, I had received an Email in the past to follow up on that possibility. The only 'official' data I have is that he came from Scotland!
Again, thank you all for your assistance
EDO
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Think we cross posted, EDO
That first one that I found in the message above yours looks quite an interesting possibility 
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I've had a gander at the various Convicts and Settlers lists for before 1845. There are two James Bruce who caught my eye in the Convicts Muster 1806-1849 NSW and Tasmania
James Bruce, convicted Edinburgh, 14 years, Freed. It says he sailed in 1834 on the "Moffatt" but then there's 1845 underneath. maybe that's when he was released.
also one who went to Tasmania in 1835 on the Moffatt but not definitely from Scotland.
Gadget
Good morning again Gadget,
Thank you once again.
The "MOFFATT" had at least 4 trips to OZ: Arrivals -
VDL 9/5/1834
NSW 31/8/1836
VDL 1/4/1838
VDL 28/11/1842
I will follow up on the 'MOFFATT" transportation1834 - 1845 as noted by you. But, the official Marriage Permission for my G.Grandmother, Anne FOLEY [nee McALISTER], formerly of Cadder, LKS and London, records that 'her' James BRUCE was a Free settler.
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There were a number of James BRUCEs in VDL.
One, from Aberdeen, b c1794, arrived with his wife 'Christiana' -
"The BRUCE family is actually one that came from SCT in 1833, per 'THOMAS'. The father [James] was a blacksmith in Peterhead, SCT, and was in business at Bridgewater, Tasmania.
're James BRUCE SCT
their emigration from SCT to Bridgwater is documented in Colonial Office correspondence, and I quote:
Downing Street,
14 February, 1833
[Margin: 20 pounds advances No 380
Lieut Gov. Arthur
Sent to Shiprs {?}
Allan & Co of Leith
10th February 1833]
I am directed by Viscount Goderich to request that you will cause to be paid to Mr W. Wilson, the sum of 20 pounds on account of James Bruce; who is proceeding to V.D. Land on board of the "THOMAS". James Bruce is a Blacksmith, aged 36 years, & he will be accompanied by the following Family.
Wife - aged 37 years
Margaret " 10 "
Mary Ann " 7 "
James " 5 ""
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There was also another James BRUCE, a Free settler. I have met with his descendants in Tasmania, but, regrettably there was no link.
Another was a Ship's Captain, but, he went back home.
All very interesting .......
Hope you have a successful moving day to whereever!!
EDO
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There are two James Bruce who caught my eye in the Convicts Muster 1806-1849 NSW and Tasmania
James Bruce, convicted Edinburgh, 14 years, Freed. It says he sailed in 1834 on the "Moffatt" but then there's 1845 underneath. maybe that's when he was released.
also one who went to Tasmania in 1835 on the Moffatt but not definitely from Scotland.
Gadget
Thank you once again.[and again]. You're very quick on your research.
I am very interested in the Edinburgh convict, even though I have stated [from official records] that 'my' James BRUCE was a Free settler!!
I have found the Tasmanian official archives records to be in error previously and have had their record corrected.
I have not researched the MOFFATT arrival from Edinburgh. He seems to fit into the 'mould'. My Anne was still serving her time when they married. She was definitely not a model 'prisoner': She had been given several 'month's in solitary' for misdemeanors. She was married after only 3 years of a 7 year sentence.
Gadget: Is there an official site for the Edinburgh Assizes. I've obtained Anne's convictions from the London Assizes records. It would be interesting to learn what Jams BRUCE of the 'MOFFATT' did to receive a 14 year sentence.
It is also possibly that he was married in Scotland. Anne was married in London prior to her transportation, and actually brought a 4 y.o. son with her on the female convict ship "WOODBRIDGE" in 1843. When she married James BRUCE, she was a 'widow'!!! I have traced her first husband and he died in 1853!!! in London!!!
- Anne was a 'bigamist'. The Tas. Archivists suggest that such happenings were not unusual in those times.
Hope I am not boring you with my historic problems, but, I guess, it all helps.
Thank you for 'listening' ....
EDO
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Hi EDO
I'm not sure if the Edinburgh Assizes records are online. i know that the National Archives hold them http://www.nas.gov.uk/ It might be worth putting a query on the Midlothian or Scotland-General Board to see if anyone knows of any separate listings.
Regards
Gadget
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