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Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« on: Sunday 12 August 07 11:11 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I am trying to trace the following born RIC casualties from Co Roscommon, and where they where buried.

Dates are when died.


WALLACE   PETER   SGT   13/05/1919 Bumlin Cemetery.
FINN   WILLIAM   CONST   09/04/1920
FOLEY   MARTIN   CONST   21/08/1920
KELLY   MICHAEL   CONST   22/09/1920
LEONARD   THOMAS   CONST   25/09/1920 St Johns Old Cemetery.
DILLON   THOMAS   CONST   24/11/1920
SHANNON   PETER   CONST   17/12/1920
CARTY   STEPHN   SGT   13/01/1921
SATCHWELL   THOMAS   CONST   22/02/1921
HUGHES   JOHM WILLIAM   SGT   16/03/1921
OMEARA REYNOLDS   CHARLES   CONST   16/03/1921
DEVEREUX   WILLIAM   CONST   22/03/1921
FALLON   MARTIN   CONST   03/05/1921
McCORMACK   THOMAS   SGT   08/05/1921
BRIDGES   THOMAS   CONST   14/05/1921
COONEY   JOSEPH   CONST   01/06/1921
FEENEY   MARTIN   CONST   02/06/1921
DOHERTY   JOHN   CONST   02/06/1921
EARLY   PATRICK JOSEPH   SGT   29/03/1922
GREER   MARTIN JOHN   CONST   23/02/1921  Glasnevin.
GREER   JAMES   SGT RTD      May-22 Both Greer's in Kiltoom Old Cemetery.
GREER   THOMAS   CADET RTD   May-22
Snow; Iow/Eastleigh/Fair Oak, Hampshire.
Mabey/Maybee; Iow
Rolf; Iow
Mullender; Maidstone, Kent
Jennings: Hampshire
Stickland;Hampshire/Wiltshire
Appleford: Bishop's Sutton
Mitchell; Sholing, Southampton/Holdenhurst, Dorset
Wilkinson; Hampshire/Linclonshire
Pulling; Portsmouth
Jefferson; Co Durham
Harland: Co Durham
Stocks; West Yorkshire
Gee;London
Alleway; Henley Upon Thames
Covey: Alford, Surrey
Gray; Wiltshire
Parker; Sholing, Southampton
Hulbert; Sholing, Southampton

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 October 08 16:47 BST (UK) »
My reply doesn't help with your query - I apologise.

When I was searching through some family photos last night, I came across a copy of an old photo of the RIC barracks in County Wexford where my grandfather was born, and it had a copy of a note attached.  My grandfather had written some family details on the back, but mentioned his godfather SERGEANT PETER WALLACE who was shot by the IRA led by Dan Breen at Knocklong Railway Station "during the trouble in Ireland".

I just wanted to find out more about the Sergeant and his connection to my family, so decided to search his name on rootschat.com, and found your message.

My great grandfather (John Rattigan) joined the RIC c.1882 and was from Gortoose, County Roscommon.  He resigned in 1912.  I just found it interesting to see on your query that Peter Wallace was from Co. Roscommon too - now I have an idea of how they were linked. 

Thanks, and once again, sorry my reply doesn't help you with your query.

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 October 08 18:04 BST (UK) »
Hello,

Thank you for the reply.

Sgt Peter Wallace was shot on a train in Co Limerick, he was from Co Roscommon, just outside Strokestown, and is buried in Bumlin Cemtery, Co Roscommon. Some of his distant relatives still live nearby.

His death was mentioned in several newspapers, and it is mention in Police Casualties in Ireland 1919-1922, by Richard Abbot.

Have you gone on the 1901 Roscommon Census?, if your family are on that, you should should try the Griffiths Valuation and you should be able to pin point the exact house they where in using the map with valuation.


Funnily enough I was in Gortoose before looking the old RIC barracks that was there, but it had been demolished. Gortoose Townland looks out onto Slieve Bawn mountain.

Regards,

Kliffy.




Snow; Iow/Eastleigh/Fair Oak, Hampshire.
Mabey/Maybee; Iow
Rolf; Iow
Mullender; Maidstone, Kent
Jennings: Hampshire
Stickland;Hampshire/Wiltshire
Appleford: Bishop's Sutton
Mitchell; Sholing, Southampton/Holdenhurst, Dorset
Wilkinson; Hampshire/Linclonshire
Pulling; Portsmouth
Jefferson; Co Durham
Harland: Co Durham
Stocks; West Yorkshire
Gee;London
Alleway; Henley Upon Thames
Covey: Alford, Surrey
Gray; Wiltshire
Parker; Sholing, Southampton
Hulbert; Sholing, Southampton

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 October 08 11:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your reply.

I've already checked out the Griffiths Valuation and 1901 census, but I haven't had a chance to check out the Wallaces in that area to see where they lived in relation to my lot.  My great grand father was born at Gorttoose, Bumlin, Co. Roscommon. 

I'm looking at a list of occupants of Culliagh Lower from Griffiths Valuation and I see a Patrick Wallace, but I see a Peter Wallace is in Culliagh Upper at the time.  Which family is Sgt Peter Wallace from, would you know?  I know that my distant relations still own property in Culliagh Lower.

I'm new at this family research stuff, but it's been very interesting.  The story in my family was that my great grand father was involved in the Maamtrasna murders investigation and, for his own safety, was relocated to Co. Wexford.  But we haven't come across any evidence so far to back this up.

Anyway, thanks for your help.  It's been nice to know just a little bit more about my great grandfather and why he picked Sgt. Peter Wallace to be his sons godfather.  Just haven't figured out why he didn't want us to go back there!

Regards,
Roisin

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 October 08 16:32 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I think the person who showed me Bumlin Cemetery had a son who runs a business can't remember what though, skips or furniture.

There was a Ambush in or around there in 1921 and I think some Policemen may have never been found, and perhaps feelings towards ex RIC men may have been hostile, and ex servicemen to.


There is a book by Jim Herlihy which gives information on RIC Casualties if you get it at the Library it may list Peter Wallace DOB, and you should be able to get it from Roscommon Registrars.


Did you try and get your Great Grandfather RIC Record?

Regards,

Kliffy

Snow; Iow/Eastleigh/Fair Oak, Hampshire.
Mabey/Maybee; Iow
Rolf; Iow
Mullender; Maidstone, Kent
Jennings: Hampshire
Stickland;Hampshire/Wiltshire
Appleford: Bishop's Sutton
Mitchell; Sholing, Southampton/Holdenhurst, Dorset
Wilkinson; Hampshire/Linclonshire
Pulling; Portsmouth
Jefferson; Co Durham
Harland: Co Durham
Stocks; West Yorkshire
Gee;London
Alleway; Henley Upon Thames
Covey: Alford, Surrey
Gray; Wiltshire
Parker; Sholing, Southampton
Hulbert; Sholing, Southampton

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 October 08 11:31 BST (UK) »
I actually haven't got around to applying for my great grandfather's records yet, but I really want to get on to that now.

Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with me - much appreciated.


Regards,
Roisin

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 November 09 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi - Saw your message re police casualties from Roscommon. I am related to one of the men and I have the information you are seeking, can I ask you the reason for the enquiry and your relationship, if any, to the men listed?

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 November 09 03:14 GMT (UK) »
LDS film 255828, page 376, includes the Civil birth registration of Peter Wallace.
The LDS film will show the place of birth and father’s occupation
Born 16 Aug 1871, Father Michael, Mother Honaria CONNAR
Siblings John, Anne, Mary & Michael.
The birth was registered in Strokestown Registrars District, which includes Gortoose townland.
Gortoose townland is in Bumlin Civil parish and Tarmonbarry Catholic parish.
For change of occupiers of land in Gortoose townland from 1854 to 1920 see LDS film 868124.
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www.policememorial.org.uk/Forces/IRELAND/RIC_Roll.htm For details of RIC members who were killed on duty, including many shot by the IRA when leaving church (549 RIC men murdered between 1916 and 1922) – lists:
Sgt Peter Wallace
Died 14 May 1919, aged 47
Fatally shot by IRA gunmen while escorting a prisoner by train.
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Suggest you look at Part J14a (Notes on the Royal Irish Constabulary) of the Resource County Roscommon 2009 CD in your local library.

Part W17 of the Resource County Roscommon 2009 CD lists details of members of the Royal Irish Constabulary at the 1901 Census of County Roscommon.
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See also: Websites of interest
For the history of the RIC visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Irish_Constabulary
http://homepage.eircom.net/~celtichistories/constabulary.htm
http://www.irishecho.com/search/searchstory.cfm?id=904&issueid=28
http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/irish/irishrecordsuk/ric.htm
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/guide/trade/ric.htm
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/PDF/MicrofilmList.pdf - RIC (National Archives, London): MFA 24/1–21
http://www.policememorial.org.uk/Forces/IRELAND/RIC_Roll.htm
http://www.royalirishconstabulary.com
http://www.psni.police.uk/index/about-us/about_museum.htm
Royal Irish Constabulary http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/guide/trade/ric.htm
http://www.psni.police.uk/index/about-us/about_museum/about_museum_genealogy.htm
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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary Casualties from Co Roscommon
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 20:12 GMT (UK) »
My reply doesn't help with your query - I apologise.

When I was searching through some family photos last night, I came across a copy of an old photo of the RIC barracks in County Wexford where my grandfather was born, and it had a copy of a note attached.  My grandfather had written some family details on the back, but mentioned his godfather SERGEANT PETER WALLACE who was shot by the IRA led by Dan Breen at Knocklong Railway Station "during the trouble in Ireland".

I just wanted to find out more about the Sergeant and his connection to my family, so decided to search his name on rootschat.com, and found your message.

My great grandfather (John Rattigan) joined the RIC c.1882 and was from Gortoose, County Roscommon.  He resigned in 1912.  I just found it interesting to see on your query that Peter Wallace was from Co. Roscommon too - now I have an idea of how they were linked. 

Thanks, and once again, sorry my reply doesn't help you with your query.

my wife's grandfather and his brother were on the other side of this fight (John Joe and Ned O'Brien from Galbally, Co Limerick). Wallace was apparently shot by Sean Treacey.

Niland/Neiland/Neilan/Nyland - Dublin
Doyle - Enniscorthy
McCullen - Coastguards from Drogheda, Co Louth
Shepley - Macclesfield and Wheelock
Clarke - Macclesfield
McDermott - Macclesfield and Dublin
Pender - Dublin
O'Brien - Dublin and Galbally