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Topic: PETER JONSON - Rotterdam, Holland (Read 248 times)
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annette ellen
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I am hoping that somebody out there can help me thrying to find information regarding a Peter Jonson born 1826 in Rotterdam, Holland.
This is what is recorded on a birth certificate for a daughter of his in Victoria, Australia.
I have no other info, just what I have written.
Maybe someone out there can help me.
Kind Regards
Annette
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham,Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
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jorose
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Well, information on his immigration and marriage (in Holland or Australia?) would be the first place to look - so when was his daughter born, and who was his wife, and where was his wife from?
Unfortunately you have a common name to look for, so you'll have to piece together as much about his time in Australia as you can first - if you're in luck, you'll be able to find his parents names on marriage or death records in Australia.
(I think if he was Dutch the surname might be more likely 'Jansen' originally? You should try to get together a few sources and see if the spelling is constant.)
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JAP
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Hello jorose,
Excellent suggestions - and all made on the following thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=249513
There is a considerable amount of information on that thread including
a) the name of his wife
b) births of several children to him
c) variations in his surname.
He was married as Peter William JANSSEN in 1856 in Victoria - apparently Annette has not yet obtained the marriage certificate which should, of course, include the name and occupation of his father and the name and maiden name of his mother.
The name then morphed to JONSON and to JOHNSON.
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JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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annette ellen
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Hi Jorose,
I have found out that Peter married Catherine in 1855 at McIvor, Heathcote, Victoria as writtrn on Elen's birth certificate.
Catherine was born in Kilkenny Ireland which is on the birth cert of Elen.
Elen was born in 1862 at Redcastle, Vic which is near Heathcote.
If Peter immigrated out here how would I check on this??
I have not yet received a marriage cert as I have been caught before sending for and then finding out they are not the same family at quite a cost.
Thank you for your answer and I will have to try and get any of the other births that were sent to me.
Regards
Annette
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham,Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly,
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JAP
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Annette,
BIRTH CERTIFICATES
I wonder why you would spend money getting further birth certificates ($A17.50 each download from the Vic BDM site)? Several of us have posted index information about other births on the thread I mentioned above - so you already know the names of the children, where they were registered, the year of birth (and one death), and how Peter's and Catherine's names were spelled at those births. The only additional information you would get would be the actual date of birth/death.
MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE
A marriage certificate, however, might well give you the following additional information - occupations of the fathers of the bride and groom, and name and maiden name of their mothers. We have searched for their marriage and have found only the one possibility:
Peter William JANSSEN married Catherine BIRGIN, 1856, #246
The spelling is different - but, as can be seen from the birth and death registrations for the family, the spellings of both names were very variable!
Jorose said that the Dutch spelling of Peter's name would be likely to be JANSEN - we have him as JANSSEN, JONSON and JOHNSON.
We have Catherine as BIRGIN, BERGIN, BERRIGAN, BERIGAN and BARAGINE. I posted a reference yesterday in my response to your post on the Kilkenny board - it shows that the common spelling of the name in Ireland in the Griffith Valuation is BERGIN; the only other spelling found in the GV is BERGAN. The name occurs mainly in the counties of Laois and Kilkenny.
The date of 1855 for the marriage might be an error by the informant - or the marriage might have taken place at the very end of 1855 and not have been formally entered in the Register until 1856 (it is quite a low reference number - #246). The index entry does not show where the marriage took place.
IMMIGRATION
I did search - and no doubt others did too - but found nothing.
There are some online immigration records on the PROV (Public Record Office Victoria) site at:
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/
The death certificate of Catherine (found on the other thread) should state how long she had been in Victoria - not always reliable.
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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annette ellen
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Hi Jap,
My refering to the certificates that I have gotten, were not for this family.
It was when I had been trying to find any of my other family members that I have not been getting the right certificates for, before I joined this site. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, Sorry for that.
I will have to get the mariage certificate.
Regards
Annette.
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham,Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly,
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JAP
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Hello Annette,
I understood that.
I was referring to the following:
... I will have to try and get any of the other births that were sent to me ...
Incidentally, I sincerely hope that the marriage certificate is the right one - though it certainly seems to be the only possibility.
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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annette ellen
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Hi Jap,
I see what you mean and I realise it was the way I wrote it.
I meant to write I will get the other birth certificates, sorry for the mix up. I have been a bit put off by all this so I do apoligise again.
Regards
Annette
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham,Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly,
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JAP
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Hi again Annette,
We seem to be talking at cross purposes 
I understood that you were saying that you would get the other birth certs. I wondered why you would bother - unless, of course, you just want to have them all for completeness.
The marriage cert, however, could well be worth getting as it might provide further information which might help in trying to trace the origins of both Peter and Catherine.
But a word of warning.
It might not be possible to trace either Peter or Catherine further.
I don't know anything about Dutch records - but, as jorose said, it is a common name.
Irish records I do know something about - and I have found that, unfortunately, it is often very hard to trace people in Ireland. I have several Irish brickwalls ...
Regards,
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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annette ellen
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Hi Jorose,
I sent for a marriage certificate on line.
On it says that Peter William Janssen -Rotterdam, Father - Linden Janssen - Carpenter and Mother -Elizabeth Landain- Dressmaker.
He married in 1856 and he was 26yrs making him born abt 1830.
I do not know if it will be of any help but I can only try.
Regards
Annette 
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham,Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly,
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JAP
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Annette,
I think this needs someone with some ideas about tracing Dutch ancestors - Googling might help.
Was information about Catherine's parents on the certificate? If so it would be a good idea to post that on the Kilkenny board thread.
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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