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bridgewaterwolfie
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IWITH FAMILY RESEARCH
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BIRRELL WYLIE(POSSIBLY PATERNAL) /with TAYLOR/ALLAN/(maternal)-  SCOTLAND-KIRKCALDY

CLOY (PATERNAL)/with  DAVIDSON- DODDS - BROADFOOT MCGUFFOCK(maternal) WIGTOWNSHIRE-OLD LUCE
beenie
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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 August 07 21:45 UTC (UK) »
Hi Adrian,
The only information I can find on John Cloy C. 15 Aug 1847 Mochrum, Father William Cloy m. McCulloch from the IGI and on the births for Mochrum
CLOY John on 21 April 1847 at Not Stated to William Cloy and McCulloch.
I don't know if this is your John, can't find him on the census for 1851. Do you have any other information on him?
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Milwain, Hill, McCracken, McCulloch, Chalmers, Kelly, McMillan, Shields, McClurg, Kirkmaiden and Stoneykirk
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 August 07 14:58 UTC (UK) »
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BIRRELL WYLIE(POSSIBLY PATERNAL) /with TAYLOR/ALLAN/(maternal)-  SCOTLAND-KIRKCALDY

CLOY (PATERNAL)/with  DAVIDSON- DODDS - BROADFOOT MCGUFFOCK(maternal) WIGTOWNSHIRE-OLD LUCE
beenie
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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 August 07 12:21 UTC (UK) »
Hi Adrian,
I have sent for the full transcription for the John Cloy birth Mochrum, so I will wait and see if there is anymore info. on it. Have you checked the 1851 census? There are some Cloys in Old Luce.
Will let you know when I get a reply
Beenie
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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 September 07 19:52 UTC (UK) »
Hi Adrian
I've just recieved this, sorry to have taken so long.
Regards
Beenie

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MonicaLesl
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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 September 07 21:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi Adrian and Beenie

Given that John's birth was illegitimate, I wonder if this is him in 1851 with his maternal grandparents under the name of McCulloch - everyone showing as born in Mochrum:

James McCulloch 51, thatcher
Anges McCulloch 51
Jane McCulloch    21, general serv.
Janet McCulloch 14, daughter
Agnes McCulloch 6, daughter
John McCulloch    4, grandson

Address: Boghouse, Mochrum

If we have the right family, hard to say who his mother could be at this stage...Jane showing above or another daughter to James and Agnes?

Do you know where John married, have you tried to find his marriage or death certs.?

Regards.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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MonicaLesl
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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 September 07 21:52 UTC (UK) »
This looks like the McCulloch family above in 1841, with a few more possibilities. Standard rounding down of ages for everyone over 15, down to the nearest 5yrs:

James McCulloch 35, agr. lab.
Agnes McCulloch 35
Elizabeth McCulloch 15
John McCulloch    14
Jane McCulloch    10
Adolphus McCulloch 6
Mary McCulloch    8
Janet McCulloch 4
Alexander McCulloch 3
Andrew McCulloch 6 weeks

Address:  Cruders Keog, Mochrum



In respect of father William Cloy, there are at least two possible entries for him in Wigtownshire in 1841, down to 1 by 1851.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 September 07 22:22 UTC (UK) »
hi monica,

1851 census- south milton, old luce

william cloy...age 22 farm labourer

farm of william mccreadie

1861 census- the manse, mochrum

james...age 61...thatcher
agnes...age 61
agnes...age 16...farm labourer
mary hannah...grand-daughter...age 3

1861 census- north clone, mochrum

john cloy...age 14...farm servant

farm of james simpson

1861 census- gillespie farm, old luce

william cloy...age 33..manager of farm

he is married now to jessie and has a family


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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 15 September 07 22:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi
Thanks Monica and Joe for your help with this, I also found a William Cloy in 1841 in Stoneykirk, but born in Kirkmaiden. I hope this helps Adrian with his search. We can only try our best.
Thanks again
Regards
Beenie
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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 September 07 07:20 UTC (UK) »
i'd like to thank you all very much for your help-very grateful.
it does seem there are not too many cloys in my lineage.
if there are i cant quite connect them ,it looks as though in the census regarding the illegitimate  john - my grandfather
was possibly a son of andy.
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BIRRELL WYLIE(POSSIBLY PATERNAL) /with TAYLOR/ALLAN/(maternal)-  SCOTLAND-KIRKCALDY

CLOY (PATERNAL)/with  DAVIDSON- DODDS - BROADFOOT MCGUFFOCK(maternal) WIGTOWNSHIRE-OLD LUCE
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Re: cloy/wigtown
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 21:38 UTC (UK) »
Hi all joined due to this subject which is my partner's (Dean) great grandfather and have quite a bit of info.
I had John Cloy as son of William and McCulloch (thanks for posting the baptism record much appreciated).
John came to Australia as follows:
Left Plymouth 22 June 1867 on the Berar aged 19 and arrived  in SA on 17 September 1867, Agricultural Labourer.  Reg No. 9123.  Listed as "Scotch"

His father was noted as William when in married Paulina Kemp on 25 Oct 1869 and his age given as 22

He died 27 Nov 1908 aged 60.

I think his father William married Jessie Davidson 22 Dec 1853.  I have William's death details (28 Oct 1889) which gives has father as Robert and mother as Elizabeth McGuffock.

Have more but need to get off to work
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Cloy - Wigtown, Cran - Aberdeen,
Hutchinson - Arkengarthdale, Jameson - Northallerton
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