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Topic: MacKenzie's of Fodderty and Ullapool (Read 4672 times)
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Fransmoi
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Alexander Mackenzie (b 1761 d 6 Sep 1843 ) married Janet Robertson (b1770c d 11 Jul 1852)
Janet's brother was Colin Robertson b1773c died 1854 at Duncanston not far from Teanagairn. If that had been Colin's father's before him it is possible Janet was born there. All just a guess so far.
In the 1841 census Janet is ticked as born in the County but her husband is not.
Records for these families are hard to find.Not even a marriage for Janet and Alexander.
Their son Murdo married Elizabeth Ross b Cullicudden 1830. John had 2 wives
Mary Mackenzie and Ann Henderson .
My grt grandfather Alexander(1844-90) was widowed young in Chelsea,
London and his daughter bonded with his sister so he went out to South Africa after 1880 and married again there an Annie Maud Butler in Cape town.
They had a son Douglas Alexander Mackenzie in 1899 who was but a year old when his daddy died.
It's taken decades but I traced Douglas' banking career ,marriage, children, death in Durban in 1953 and now his grandchildren but despite all attempts I've been unable to make contact especially as they have males in that line.
Until we hear more from your line I will hold fast lest I muddle the issue !
Fransmoi - ( female !)
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Aird,Anderson,
Babington,
Bothwell,
Clark,
Dunford,
Errington,
Fleming,Forrest,
Gerrard,
Kinghorn,
Leslie,Loudon,Lumsden,
Mackenzie ,MacLeod,McLeod,Milne,Montgomery,
Ramsay,Ross ,Rust
Shields,Sim,Sowden, Stoddart,
Turnbull,
Wallace,Woodman
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dmackenzie
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Sorry Fransmoi, I wasn't sure whether you were male or female. Fransmoi isn't a very common name around here. 
A quick search on the IGI at familysearch.org gives 2 marriages for a Janet Robertson and Alexander MacKenzie that might be possibilities for you, one in 1796 and one 1811. Both are in the Urquhart and Logie Wester (ULW) Parish which includes Duncanston. When was Murdo born? I found a Murdoch MacKenzie born to these parents in 1806 with a sister Janet born in 1808. There are a number of John MacKenzie's born in Fodderty with father = Alexander; none of them have the mothers name listed. Birth dates are 1800, 1801, 1804, 1809, 1810. Fodderty isn't terribly far from the Black Isle and the ULW parish
How certain are your approximate birth dates for Colin and Janet?
Again in the ULW Parish there was a Colin born 1779 and Janet in 1768 with parents Colin Robertson and Janet McCrae. This was the only pairing I could find with the same parents around this time on the IGI, but records are getting pretty scarce going back that far.
In the same batch number (c110842), theres a number of other children with the same parents
Robert 1760 (mothers maiden name spelt McRae, which may or may not be relevant. Quite a bit earlier than the rest)
Janet 1768
William 1773
Mary 1776
Isobel 1778
Colin 1779
Thomas 1784
Do any of these tie in with other Robertsons you know of?
I hope this helps.
Cheers
Darryl
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Fransmoi
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Daryl , You have just completed the search for me finding Janet and her brother's baptisms and I've just found my old notes on her descendants.
Thank you very much indeed.
I knew not to take the gravestones as gospel but I had not extended the search far enough.They were well out.
I do not recognse the Robertson farm name of Bettern/Beltern though but will have a look on http://www.old-maps.co.uk.
Janet's grandson Sandy" Kinkell" Mackenzie said she was descended from the Provost of Dingwall and was related to prime minister William Ewart Gladstone. He had a great portrait of him in his room and when I checked Gladstone's gradfather was indeed Andrew Robertson of Park House,Dingwall the local Provost and I think he married twice ! Another trail to follow on another day - It is 2a.m. here in Scotland.
Enough excitement for one evening.....!
Fransmoi
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Aird,Anderson,
Babington,
Bothwell,
Clark,
Dunford,
Errington,
Fleming,Forrest,
Gerrard,
Kinghorn,
Leslie,Loudon,Lumsden,
Mackenzie ,MacLeod,McLeod,Milne,Montgomery,
Ramsay,Ross ,Rust
Shields,Sim,Sowden, Stoddart,
Turnbull,
Wallace,Woodman
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Fransmoi
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I will send a p m with my address, Daryl.
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Aird,Anderson,
Babington,
Bothwell,
Clark,
Dunford,
Errington,
Fleming,Forrest,
Gerrard,
Kinghorn,
Leslie,Loudon,Lumsden,
Mackenzie ,MacLeod,McLeod,Milne,Montgomery,
Ramsay,Ross ,Rust
Shields,Sim,Sowden, Stoddart,
Turnbull,
Wallace,Woodman
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chrislb
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Hi,
My husband is descended from an Elizabeth McKenzie who was supposedly (according to England census records) from the Cromarty region of Scotland. Also according to census records she was born around 1815 - 1818 although according to her death certificate she was born c1808. Her father, as is noted on her marriage certificate, was a James McKenzie, occupation Stoneman (stonemason?). I have been unable, so far, to find either her baptism record or any record of James. There are a couple of candidates but none I can really say for certain are definitely likely.
I would be grateful if anyone can help. Thanks!!
Regards, Christine in Australia.
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dmackenzie
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Hi Christine,
From familysearch.org, a search on the info you provided for the date range 1803-1823, turns up 2 possibilities in Ross and Cromarty:
Eliza MacKenzie, b 10 May 1807, to James MacKenzie and Margaret Bain. Cromarty parish
Elizabeth McKenzie, c 12 June 1804, to James and Majory McIntosh, Urquhart and Logie Wester parish (a couple of parishes over from Cromarty).
These might be a bit too early to be your Elizabeth?
Cheers
Darryl
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chrislb
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Thanks Darryl, I have seen the second one of those which I feel is definitely too early  also the first is a possibility but may be too early as well.... any idea what that James' occupation might have been? Is there anyone else who has him in their tree who can help maybe? I had thought that maybe they had a daughter Eliza as well as Elizabeth....... or her name was Eliza Elizabeth....... does that make sense?
Thanks again!! 
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chrislb
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Hi Darryl,
The earliest census with 'my' Elizabeth is the 1851 England census where she is in London with her husband, James Harris of Essex, and daughter Martha who was 6 yrs old. I have since obtained her marriage certificate as well as her death certificate. She and James were married in 1844 in Middlesex. I have not been able to possitively identify her in the 1841 England census, although there are a couple of possibles. As I mentioned, the census records mentioned either Scotland or Cromarty Scotland as being her place of birth. Also, as I mentioned, all I know about her father is what is on her marriage certificate, ie, James McKenzie, Stoneman.
I haven't been able to possitively place him in London in any census so far...... must have another go as I think I only tried the 1841 England/1841 Scotland census and as we are well aware there are lots of James McKenzies (as well as lots of Elizabeth McKenzies) in Scotland..... and a few scattered through England as well.
I have no idea of whether or not she had siblings and what their names may have been, ditto her mum.
You may be right about the Eliza being short for Elizabeth. Any idea where I may be able to find (or ask someone to find) the parish registers and have a look-see??
I did in fact have another thread for this family...... but it has been a while and I felt that this thread, since it is about McKenzies, may provide a clue or 2 more......
Thanks again Darryl
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chrislb
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Ok,
I have had another look at Elizabeth in 1851. She and family are in Westminster, Golden Square (58 Poland St, at least that is what I think the name of it is). I rechecked the 1841 England census for dear Lizzie and of course there were several BUT I did find one (which I had seen before but had misgivings about it) Elizabeth McKenzie aged 30 (!! she is 36 in 1851) in a household in Argyle street as a female servant from Scotland. 1851 definitely states Scotland Cromarty. So can I assume that this 1841 Elizabeth is indeed 'my' Elizabeth?? Perhaps not but she is the most likely candidate..... I do know that James Harris her hubby was in London in 1841 can't recall just now exactly where....
Chris
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chrislb
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All it says on her death certificate is "widow of James Harris Innkeeper" Age 69. No mother's name and no place of birth.
and yes the 1851 census does say Cromarty Scotland so could well be the town rather than the county...... either way it hasn't helped much. In 1861 the family are in Withyham Sussex and Elizabeth is 44. In 1871 census she is merely from Scotland and is 56. Interestingly I had a lot of trouble finding them in the 1871 census.
Chris.
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chrislb
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ok stupid question time - Cromarty the town is in Cromarty the county yes? Ross & Cromarty County even......
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