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Topic: MacKenzie's of Fodderty and Ullapool (Read 4733 times)
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dmackenzie
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Hi All,
Trying to track down the family of one John MacKenzie (my ggg-grandfather). His wife was Ann McKay and according to a family tree my grandfather scribbled down for my auntie many years ago, they had two sons Kenneth (b. ~ 1811) and George (b. ~1813; my gg-grandfather), and at one point lived in the 'Heights of Strathpeffer'. We've managed to track down the descendents of these 2 sons (Kenneth emigrated to Victoria, Australia, while George moved to the Black Isle and possibly Kirkhill near Inverness), but what we're interested in is other siblings of theirs, and Johns origin.
From the IGI there is a John MacKenzie and Ann McKay who married in Fodderty in 1808, with children listed as:
Catherine, b. 1818, Fodderty
Alexander, b. 1820, Fodderty
Lizy, b. 1823, Fodderty
Janet, b. 1826, Fodderty
Christy, b. 1831, Fodderty
but no mention of a Kenneth or George. Given the gap between the marriage and first child recorded in Fodderty, it's possible the family may have moved elsewhere between the marriage and Catherine's birth. We're reasonably sure it's the same family as John and Ann turn up in the 1841 census as living in the 'Heights of Keppoch' (not far from the town of Strathpeffer, and in the Strathpeffer valley), with some of these children. So this matches with my grandfathers notes.
Again from my grandfathers notes, John came from Ullapool, or at least lived there at some point. From IGI there are baptism records from the Lochbroom parish for a Kenneth and George MacKenzie, with father John in 1811 and 1813 respectively. We speculate (which is always dangerous with genealogy), that John may have came from the Ullapool region, met and married Ann in Fodderty, moved back west for a few years, before moving permanently back to Fodderty.
Based upon the 1841 census age, John would have been born in 1780-1781, and death year is unknown.
If anyone could help shed some light on our family tree that would be great.
Cheers
Darryl
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Gadget
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Hi Daryl
Not sure if I can help too much but I live (at the moment) near Ullapool and have done a fair bit of research in the area. The Lochbroom Parish records don't go much furth back than the mid-1790s so the chances of tracking John down through the parish records are rather slim 
An aquaintance has managed to get back further using various documents at the National archives in Scotland.
It is quite possible that John did meet Ann on the east side. There were frequent cattle drives over the Dirrie Mor to the Dingwall area and young men often went over to the east coast for the fishing.
Regards
Gadget
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Gadget
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Hi Daryl
One of our members( don_niagara) might have some information on the McKenzies of Ullapool. He has managed to tap into a lot of sources. It might be worth you sending him a Personal Message.
Regards
Gadget
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Gadget
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Oh sorry Daryl, How rude of me. i should have welcomed you.
Welcome now 
I'll send you a message telling you how to send a message - see if it works
Gadget
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don_niagara
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Hiya Daryl,
Nice to hear from you!
From the data you have sent I was able to see the christenings of Kenneth and George you note from the I.G.I. in Lochbroom Parish, I have photocopied most of the Register, and it often includes details not extracted into the I.G.I.
The Register shows in both cases the father John MacKenzie resident at Ullapool, no further details though.... Records in that period are sparse,... I have the 1825-7 Militia lists and have slowly been transcribing and annotating them onto my website, and have hopes of obtaining the 1821 list in the next few weeks, but those postdate the time your John was at Ullapool,...
I see your bunch in the 1841 census at Fodderty, with John as 60-64 years old, I guess you have searched, but it would be great if he lived to the start of Civil Registration in 1855...
No great help from me on this queery I fear, other than the passing noting John's wife's surname is one I'd expect in northern SutherlandShire and Caithness...
All the best from Niagara,
Donald.
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don_niagara
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Hiya Daryl,
you wrote:
this is the only family of MacKenzie's (as opposed to McKenzie's) in Fodderty. Is there likely to be anything in that,
Any time pre 1900 "Mc" and "Mac" were interchangable in Scottish records. Handwriting style of the day elevated the c in Mc, often with a horizontal stroke under that, and less often with two dots under that. Someone then seeing "McDond" would read it as "MacDonald". Similarly a long s which looked like a letter f was used in words with double esses, the name "Ross" is often mistaken as "Rofs" or "Roff".
You also wrote:
Is the original Register for Lochbroom organized geographically at all? Or is everything in the one register? Just wondering whether John and Ann may have any other children while over there
The Register was kept by date not place. Usually place of residence of the father was noted, from the I.G.I. there were 49 christenings in the Parish from 1809 to 1817 with fathers as John MacKenzie. From the photocopies of the Parish Register the ones at Ullapool could be picked out, perhaps a dozen or more, than some of those could be eliminated if found in the 1841 census with their families, however there would need to be some further source to be looked at to see if the remaining children had any connection...
All the best,
Donald.
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don_niagara
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Hiya Daryl et al,
sorry to be a bit slow replying, hectic week off-line,...
Looks like you now have three sons of a John MK at Lochbroom (mothers names are not in the Lochbroom O.P.R. that period), their birth order, and approx birth years, from that it might be possible to pick out your bunch.
Placing the family at Ullapool in family records or even records does not neccesarly mean that is where they specifically lived; it was the largest community and people living in the smaller surrounding places of only a few households would later tell people they were from "Ullapool". Similar today as "Gadget" can probably attest people living in small communities on the Coigach peninsula say they are from "Achiltibuie".
That said, your John, son of John MacKenzie (Fisher) and Janet Stewart, was probably not born in Ullapool as 1780 predates founding of the village, and Stewarts were thin on the ground at Ullapool.
My guess is your bunch were from Isle Martin or more likely 1780 period at Badenscallie in Coigach. At the bottom of the Badenscallie file on my website I include the following.
All the best,
Donald.
Coigach Stewarts
In February 1999 John MacLeod (CONTACT INFO) who has ancestors at Badenscallie, emailed me the following information, it is reinforced by a letter from Jean Stewart of Inverness to Gwen Smith (CONTACT INFO) of Tasmania in 1984. Jean said three sons from Appin had to flee west to the region which is now Ullapool. I think the Stewart refugees are also mentionned in the book "Peoples and Settlement in North-West Ross" edited by John R. Baldwin in 1994 (SOURCE INFO).
John MacLeod wrote;
Various families came into the area following the '45, including the Stewarts, a party of whom (women included!) escaped from the battlefield of Culloden and fled north through the hills until they reached the Oykel valley at Tutim. There one of the women is buried in the graveyard above the road. The party turned West and eventually settled in Coigach. Originally from the Appin area, all the Stewarts in Coigach are descended from those settlers.
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Fransmoi
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In the 1851 Uray census aged 44 my grt grt grandfather John Mackenzie declares he was born in Fodderty yet his parents Alexander Mackenzie1761-1843 and Janet Robertson 1770c-1852 farmed Teanagairn in the northern shore of the Black Isle and Alexander was said to have been born there in 1761.
Have been watching this story develope and hesitantly dip my toe in these waters as I'm having difficulty tying down the birthdate of
John Mackenzie who held the Tarradale Post Office/drapery at Muir of Ord in the parish of Urray.He may be John Robertson Mackenzie b 21 Nov 1811 which does not agree with the census age.
I managed to find a descendant of his sister Margaret now in her 80s who said that when they came North they also visited relations at the Heights of Auchterneed.
I have quite a bit on these Mackenzies but if unrelated to our lister I don't want to confuse the issue further !
Fransmoi.
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Babington,
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