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ozdroggy1
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I am descended from Thomas CALDER b. 13 May 1770 and Agnes PATRICK b. 29 Nov 1772 and probably also related to Thomas CALDER and Agnes REID of about 1730s. There is also a connection to SHIRVA (or SHIRVAY) a farm close by Twechar about 2 1/2 miles east of Kirkintilloch on the Clyde & Forth Canal. The farm still exists today. Is anyone else involved in this line?
Mike.
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tootsiepie
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Possibly, I need to do a bit more work on this line, but I have a George Calder, who MAY be the son of Thomas Calder and Agnes Patrick.
George had a daughter Margaret abt 1826, and was placed in Mollinsburn in the 1861 census. She married (2nd)in Cadder in 1852 to a William Walker. 1st marriage to a John Horn(e).
Will get back to you as soon as poss.
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
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tootsiepie
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Hi Mike , I can't find anything definate yet.
I think that's why I gave this line a rest 
So far- Margaret Calder m. William Walker in 1852. in Cadder, both of Parish.
Her death cert states her parents are George Calder and Mary McPherson. (cannot find this marriage or any births to this couple, so am beginning to suspect a mistake somewhere on the death cert. unless they were non-conformists)
Margaret Calder/Walkers death cert in 1887 and a Walker childs birth cert in 1855 states she was previously married to John Horn*, her maiden name Calder.
Cannot find the Horn marriage.
The 1841 census for George Calder has his wife as Ellen, though a daughter Margaret appears to be the right age for mine. Margaret is not there in 1851, and can't find her yet under Horn.
Have tried both Cadder Lanarkshire, and Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire for censuses , and the whole of Scotland for marriages.
A George Calder has children to an Elizabeth( Ellen?) Burns, but the first one I see is if I remember rightly abt. 1830, so it could be possible George was married before.
Anyone any suggestions?
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
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ozdroggy1
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 Sorry about the spelling of KIRKINTILLOCH.
I do have a George born 8 June 1800.
Source:
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. International Genealogical Index v5.0. (© 1999-2002 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc.) http://www.familysearch.org. #1041997 Batch C114986.
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tootsiepie
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Yep, I believe he's my George also.
Tonight I found the marriage record of a Daniel Calder who has the same parents as my Margaret. i.e. George Calder and Mary McPherson (McFerson).
This fits with the the 1841 census enty in Kirkintilloch I found earlier. This is the only Daniel in the 1841 census in Dunbartonshire or Lanarkshire. of the approx age group. (Daniel has chopped abt 3 yrs off his age in the 1860 marriage cert. but his new wife was a bit younger).
Therefore, I think the Ellen/Helen in the 41 and 51 census was either Mary Ellen or a second wife.
John Stark was a witness at Daniels wedding.
I also found the death cert of Eliz Burns, who was also married to a George Calder, and who I thought earlier might have been the ''Ellen'' or second wife of my George. But no! Eliz died 1855 and the children listed on her death cert do not match the 1841 census family of George , Ellen , Margaret , Daniel etc.
More details, addresses etc, processes of elimation and so on can be given if needed.
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
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ozdroggy1
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I have sent you a private message with the CALDER/PATRICK family. I have not traced the George line. Do you have a death yet? I couldn't find one in Kirkintilloch.
Mike.
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tootsiepie
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Thank you for the P.M. I'll reply to it tonight, as I really should go to work today
re- George death. As George was still alive in the 51 census I was hoping he'd still be alive at the start of civil reg. in 1855. but I don't see a suitable death in Kirkintilloch either. However I did see one in Stirling, will access it later and let you know.
There are definately Paisley (Renfrewshire) connections to this family. Ellen, wife of George was born Paisley according to the 51 census. It's also where my Margaret ended up. It's not geographically far, and it was the weaving hub of the west of Scotland at that time.
So , on that note . I'll leave you to look at the Renfrewshire/Paisley Calders of the period. May be a red herring, but worth a look.
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
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tootsiepie
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Nae Luck, George in Stirling was Seaman!
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
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Plus all variations in spellings
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ozdroggy1
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Would someone with more experience than I like to take a guess at all after son to Thomas Calder....
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ozdroggy1
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I think I may be onto a major breakthrough in joining two Calder lines. It is possible that this marriage is between first cousins and it appears that there were no children. William who died 11 November 1826 made a Testament on 22 April 1822 in which he left everything to his wife Agnes as "sole executor and universal legator".
Can anyone explain how this extract can be seen to confirm that the date of the marriage between William and Agnes is 1783 as stated. 
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Gateslack
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My connection to George Calder is his son Daniel Calder, b1835 who married Isabella Brown. The 1861 census shows Daniel as a mason. Isabella's father John was a limestone miner as were his sons. Their daughter Isabella Main Calder b1864 married James Henderson b1856 a weaver in Cadder.
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tootsiepie
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Hi, I think we have a connection here through Daniels marriage cert, and Margarets death cert, both naming parents as George Calder and Mary McFerson(sp).
I haven't looked much at this line since last year, so I am sadly no further forwards (or perhaps backwards  )
However I did notice that on Daniels marriage cert, there were amendments where the words 'Maiden name' were scored out. Perhaps they weren't married.
BUT as the next entry also has this, I'm wondering if it was a misunderstanding of procedure on part of Registrar.
I'll maybe take a fresh look at this line today if I have time.
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
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Plus all variations in spellings
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