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Nantwich-Newsagent
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Following an enquiry within a separate topic I've set up this one to see if there's any interest/follow-up re. the Ravenscrofts of Nantwich, Wharton & Winsford.
"Hi NN - My hubbies rellies came from Nantwich area and I was wondering if there was any connection? His ggrandad was Edward Ravenscroft who married Elizabeth Merrill. They had Henry and Frank and another possible son has just appeared but am still checking him out. Edward was born c 1848.
Look forward to hearing from you, Crystal."
Hi Crystal,
I have a Jane Ravenscroft (dob. 1816) and her sister Elizabeth (dob. 1821) both born in Wharton which is just less than 12 miles from Nantwich so it's likely there is some link - you might have to go back a bit, then forward again. Have you tried the IGI at http://www.familysearch.org/ ? I found it great for going beyond the range of the Victorian census data.
I know that the girls mother was called Mary (dob. 1787) and that she came from Over, Winsford.
Jane married William Hall and of their 6 children (that I know of) Annie married Alfred Cooke. They had 11 children - Jessie married (1911) John William Oakes. They had 7 children - Lilian May (dob. 1917) was my grandmother.
Can give you more details if you want them, especially if you make the link before I do as this would certainly be of interest.
Best regards - NN
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Hi Crystal,
Over (which used to be a borough in its own right) gradually became a part of Winsford in the late 19th century. So along with Wharton it is also about 12 miles away from Willaston.
As there are 'currently' (2001 census) a relatively small number (1797*) adult Ravenscrofts in the UK. I'd be surprised if one of us doesn't eventually find a link. *http://www.yournotme.com/
I think I found your Edward on Rootsweb - http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=teddie&id=I19817
This suggests:
Edward RAVENSCROFT -
DoB: 29 Nov 1847 in Willaston,Cheshire
Christened: 30 Nov 1847 Wybunbury,Cheshire
Father: John RAVENSCROFT b: 1812/1816 in Cheshire
Mother: Sarah ROBINSON b: 1820 in Manchester,Lancs
Married: Elizabeth MERRILL of Wrenbury
Married: 11 May 1870 in Wrenbury,Cheshire,England
That for John:
Married an Elizabeth b: 1808 in Cheshire first
and that they had two sons:
John RAVENSCROFT b: in Willaston,Cheshire
Edwin RAVENSCROFT b: in Willaston,Cheshire
Then John seems to have married again:
Sarah ROBINSON b: 1820 in Manchester,Lancs
and then had two more children:
Emma RAVENSCROFT b: 1846 in Willaston,Cheshire
and finally your Edward RAVENSCROFT b: 29 Nov 1847 in Willaston,Cheshire
Also that (as you thought) John's father was Thomas RAVENSCROFT. Apologies if you already had most/all of the above already but it might just help me later if a connection can be made.
Anyway whilst I was looking at the long list (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=teddie&recno=16715)of Ravenscrofts (perhaps I misjudged their number above!) on Rootsweb I've just come across 'my Jane'.
Will investigate this further now and let you know later if I find any link to your Edward/John/Thomas!
Best regards,
NN
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crystal lady
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Hi NN
Good to hear from you & thanks for the links - they were certainly interesting and very informative, found some of the rellies on there. The info you gave matches what I had found so I am glad that I'm on the right track. I had been pondering about John's 2 marriages and wondering if it was correct. The more I look at it and check, the more it seems likely but I will certify it eventually. It looks like John died a few years after his second marriage and if I'm correct Sarah married again to a William Lovatt. Found Edward with Sarah and William on the 1861 census and a John Ravenscroft with Sarah and William (no Edward) on the 1871 census and couldn't make out where John had come from but think he may be John Snr's son from his first marriage. Also learnt of Emma's death and the date, as I had not been able to locate her on any census I had been wondering if something like this had happened but it was sad to see that she died so young.
Still haven't made any connections yet with your line but as you say, with so few Ravenscrofts there has to be a connection somewhere along the line.
Good luck with your Jane, hope you find something.
Speak to you soon.
Crystal.
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Hi Crystal,
'Good luck with your Jane, hope you find something' ...
Oh, my goodness, C! Since my last post on the 5th I've spent most of the last week's evenings adding over 200 Ravenscroft/Ravenscroft related individuals to my tree. I began to feel a bit silly about my assertion that it was not a common surname but realistically I think it must have actually had a fairly concentrated coverage around the Middlewich area. I have not found a definite link with your tree but bearing in mind 'my' numbers and 'your proximity' I am even more convinced than before that the link does exist, it just needs finding.
The problem (as I'm sure you've found) is that whilst the detail to search on is fairly slight for 1812 John all we know about his father is that he was apparently called Thomas.
I did find that John and Sarah married on 24.08.1845 at Wybunbury, Cheshire if that's of any interest. Also, and possibly more interesting, some references to John on the web do suggest he was born in somewhere called Newton in 1812. I have emailed one of these sources to clarify where the Newton link comes from. Anyway, Newton is a part of Middlewich and there was a 'suitable' Thomas there in the late 18th century:
Thomas Ravenscroft, christened,10.05.1786, Middlewich
Buried 13.02.1841 again in Middlewich
His father was
Jonathan Ravenscroft, born Stanthorn, christened 8 Jan 1749, Middlewich
mother
Sarah Leigh
Thomas, Jonathan and Sarah are all in my tree so this would be a link if we could be confident with the John-Newton-Middlewich-Thomas link. Some speculation I know but I would be reasonably confident if I knew why the Newton connection had been made to John.
Well whether we ever make the link or not (hope we do!) I've really enjoyed exploring the Ravenscroft tree from 'my Jane' as a starting point. Good luck with your tree.
Best regards,
NN
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Thought I would add my RAVENSCROFT connections to this post. I have a Thomas RAVENSCROFT who married Martha WOOD at Over in 1829 - he was born 1792 at Wettenhall and baptised 6 May 1792 at Over. I'm connected through Martha WOOD.
I have Mary RAVENSCROFT born c1828 who married Samuel BIRCHALL at Tarporley in 1853. I have a note to say that her father was John RAVENSCROFT of Rushton, Tarporley. I'm connected through Samuel BIRCHALL. The BIRCHALL's were from Wybunbury, then Nantwich and Samuel was born Baddiley in 1817.
I then have Mary RAVENSCROFT born 1857 at Lostock, who married James MOORE in 1878 in Manchester - guess what, I'm connected through the MOORE family!!
Happy to hear of any connections, or maybe someone searching will find us all here on Rootschat!! 
Jean
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Hi Jean,
What a lot of marital connections to the Ravenscrofts -
not just 1 or 2, but 3!!!
Whilst I've 'got' 14 Thomas Ravenscrofts and some Ravenscroft links to Over I can't tie up with #1.
I've 11 Mary Ravenscrofts but as yet no link to a Samuel. Where was your Mary born as I have 3 born around the right time in Leighton, Bostock and Moulton?
I can't find any immediate links with the second Mary.
There's a lot of these Ravenscrofts about aren't there?! But I still believe they must have had quite a high concencentration in this area - so the links are probably there to be found - one day!
Best regards,
NN
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Hi NN,
Mary c1828 was born Rushton Tarporley, father John. Unfortunately I only have information on the descendants for Mary as she is a "married in"! I'll post on this thread if I find anything else.
I've just rechecked the marriage date for Thomas RAVENSCROFT and Martha WOOD and have updated the previous post - should be 1829. Children (from census):
Richard born 1831
Thomas born 1836
John born 1839
Jonathan born 1841
Stephen born 1845
George born 1848
Jean
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Hi NN
Hope you are okay, I'm off work at moment recovering from cold/ chest infection so thought I'd have a quick chat with you as not spoke for a while.
How's your tree going? I'm still searching and hoping! Glad you found all those rellies - can't believe how many you found, bet you were delighted. Have you now got some 'new' brickwalls? I have had 1 breakthrough (I think), not sure if i've said already that I could not find John on the 1841 Census - well, think I have now found him mistranscribed as John Ravencroft age 25, wife Elizabeth age 30 and daughter Sarah age 10, his occupation is given as a joiner - what do you think? Sounds as if its him to me - the ages for him and Elizabeth match along with his occupation, the only problem is that at the moment I cannot find anymore details for daughter Sarah - am thinking that maybe Elizabeth was married before and its her daughter - clutching at straws here!!
Have still not got any precise detail on John and Thomas - someone has checked parish registers for Nantwich and Wybunbury for me and no record of John's baptism or marriage to Elizabeth, so its been suggested that maybe John came to Willaston looking for work from another area. I meant to ask you before about your info in message dated 14 Sept - you mentioned some info on the web about John from Newton area and that you had emailed for some details, did anything come of this? Have not seen this info anywhere. It would be nice if mine matched the info you gave there, its a possiblilty but I need to find out where my John came from - he's a right pain - keep thinking I must be missing something somewhere. The only deaths I have come across so far for John before 1851 and in his age group are 1848 Northwich and 1849 Middlewich. Jayson who has been helping me with lookups has found a Thomas in the Middlewich area with a son John and is checking it out for me, don't know if this ties in with yours at Middlewich?
Better go, let me know what you think and if you've had any more discoveries and look forward to hearing from you soon.
Crystal
PS Nearly forgot - although stuck on the Ravenscrofts, I've had some good luck with my own tree on my mum's side. Thought we knew that they had all stayed in nearly same area in Fradswell and Stowe in Staffs but have found that my gggrandad ended up with one of my gguncles about 5 miles away from where i live now (have actually been in the same house about 10yrs ago!) and have found 1 of my mum's cousins who she lost contact with over 50 yrs ago - found him on here actually - so really pleased with that.
Bye.
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Hi Crystal,
Good to hear from you. Regarding John, my rule of thumb is that if you get 2 identifying links its probably right, 3 its fairly certain.
Unfortunately my 'link' with John & Newton has not got back to me so I cannot help to move this line of enquiry forward.
Will be back in touch when I have something new to add.
Best regards,
NN
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Crystal,
My apologies, omitted to say
how I hope you're feeling better.
Best regards,
NN
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Hi NN
Thanks for your last message and am feeling much better now thanks.
I have some new info on John and Thomas!! at last. Jayson has been doing some lookups for me (on Cheshire Lookups if you want to see if anything matches up with yours) and after I made a contact on GR has come up with the following info - Thomas married Catherine Hewitt in 1807 and they had George 1810, Anne 1813, JOHN 1815, Hannah 1817 and Thomas 1820 all in the parish of Acton. He also found baptisms for John 1774, James 1776 and Thomas and margaret 1779 (twins),children of John and Margaret, think John is Thomas's father. This seems a definate match to mine as John's year of birth was only approx and was taken from census/IGI etc. Also on John's marriage to Sarah, Thomas's occupation was given as 'weaver' and from checking records this is not a common occupation among Ravenscroft's. The parish records jayson has just found have Thomas's occupation as 'weaver' which is another tick in the box. What do you think? Can't remember if I've asked this already, apolgoies if I have but do any of your Thomas's have weaver as their occupations? John's occupation was a joiner.
The only snag that has turned up is a burial record for a Thomas Ravenscroft, Acton April 1856 aged 70 years. This would give him a year of birth of 1786 and the Thomas we have has c1779. Jayson is double checking this in case their are other Thomas's in the same area. The year of birth matches your Thomas mentioned in our previous massages but he was in Middlewich, the IGI has a couple more possibles and will let you know on this. Don't suppose your Thomas has son called John? Clutching at straws here as you would have mentioned it by now.
Anyway, have a check to see if anything matches -we'll find the link one day and will speak to you soon.
Crystal.
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Hi Crystal,
Glad you're feeling better.
I think you've made a real breakthrough with John's father Thomas - nice one!
I am curious about Thomas marrying Catherine Hewitt in 1807 (5th Jan in Nantwich I think) as I've got a Stephen Ravenscroft marrying a Mary Ann Hewitt in 1838. Quite a long time between the marriages I know, but still possibly more than just a coincidence.
As you say, no links yet, but now that your Ravenscrofts have started moving into the 18th century this can only be coming closer and closer!
Best regards,
NN
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Hi I am new to this forum and was checking the Ravenscrofts
my gt.gt. grandparents were Thomas Ravenscroft who married Catherine Hewitt 5/1/1807 at St Mary Nantwich children Ann John Hannah George
my gt grandfather was George R who married Frances Hewiit 19/6/1836
Charles their son was my grandfather born 1837 died 6/1/1893 he married twice 1st wife Ann Royle who died 1887 2nd wife Johanna Knight married nov .1887 Ann had 3 children Frances Sara George Johanna had 3 children
Charles my father John William who died 2 days old and Thomas who died age 5 i am trying to find out what happened to Frances Sara and George from grandfathers1st wife they are not on the 1891 census
hope this makes sense
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