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Martinwootton
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 10 December 08 11:50 UTC (UK) » |
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I have family who also came from lye waste.
the town lye lies on the main road between birmingham and stourbridge in the west mids. it is now an highly asian populated town, and the high street is mainly indian restraunts. i have read a bit about the origin and it was first populated by gypies and refugees in the 1600's.
kerry
I have a (Rose) Hannah Southall born Lye Waste in the 1830s. Can you say more about the 'refugee/gypsey' topic. Is there a Jewish connection?
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Gadd,Moss, Southall,Robinson,Thompson,Wootton,Liviter. Birmingham, Ireland, Cumbria, Yorkshire, Isle of Man.
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linell
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 11 December 08 00:28 UTC (UK) » |
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Lye Waste was best known for it's mud huts and nailers, built by settlers who were said to be a community of Gypsies, who squatted on waste land in the upper part of Lye around 1650. These people were described as rough and uncouth, they built their houses from local clay deposits. The houses lacked planning and were built in a hotpotch fashion with no semblance of order, they all lacked any sanitation, or clean drinking water. It is possible that these people were displaced by the civil wars between the Royalists and Parliamentarians from the Battle of Worcester in 1651. They were a very tight community and did not tolerate any strangers, they were described as miserable, uncivilised, rude and lawless. The males were naked, the females accomplished breeders, marriage was not high on their agenda, they lived in uncivilised squalor. The women spent half their lives in the Nail Shops, only stopping to give birth, within a few hours they were back in the Nail Shop, many babies did not survive, in some cases the mothers and babies were buried in the same Coffin. One local story regarding a family from Lye Waste known as the 'All Fours' were so under-nourished, they were too weak to stand, and literally did walk around on 'All Fours.' Hope this gives you a brief insight into Lye Waste, I am also descended from one of the Lye Waste families. linell
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Black Country Stringer, Sidaway, Mansell, Haynes, Westwood, Yardley, Reading, Worton, Willetts.
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halesowenroots
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #32 on: Friday 12 December 08 14:27 UTC (UK) » |
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I remember reading the following on the Quinton Website:-
"The Lye Waste boasted that Coroner's inquests on infanticide were unknown in its area. There's some truth in the taunt, despite the notorious immorality of the district, but the solution was simple. Most Lye Wasters kept pigs; if there chanced to be a superfluous baby the family pig was kept on short commons for a day or so. Then the infant (somehow) fell into the sty, and in half an hour no coroner could have found, any remains to 'sit upon’".
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John
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behindthefrogs
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #33 on: Friday 12 December 08 14:53 UTC (UK) » |
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I wonder if that explains why so far I have found no burials for any of my Perry family who wer nailers living in Lye Waste in the early 19th century.
It didn't hold them back because by 1881 one of them, William, was running a chain and nail factory employing 590 hands and living in Lye High Street. His brothers seem to have similarly progressed but a little further afield in places like Halesowen and Hasbury.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Martinwootton
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #34 on: Friday 12 December 08 17:53 UTC (UK) » |
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My relative was a Gadd from Cradley who married a Southall from Lye Waste. Both were from Fruiterer families and migrated to Birkenhead in the 1840s and then across the river to Liverpool where he did very well, becoming quite a big fruit importer and wholesaler. He must have kept his Black Country connection because when he died his bequests included an interest in a Tipton iron works.
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Gadd,Moss, Southall,Robinson,Thompson,Wootton,Liviter. Birmingham, Ireland, Cumbria, Yorkshire, Isle of Man.
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Martinwootton
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #36 on: Monday 22 December 08 18:56 UTC (UK) » |
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Thanks. Amazing. Remarkable that a lot 'escaped' and made good. I suppose it is like Mumbai today, if you see what I mean.
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Gadd,Moss, Southall,Robinson,Thompson,Wootton,Liviter. Birmingham, Ireland, Cumbria, Yorkshire, Isle of Man.
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lucin
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 12 April 09 12:24 UTC (UK) » |
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Looking for information on the family name Hill or the address Boucher, The Lye
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DavidGreenall110
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 11:30 UTC (UK) » |
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Anybody here related to the Hughes's around 1810 to 1890?
David
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Death, Sambles, Searle, Loates, Beamish, Brooks, Coates, Hughes, Lythgoe, Johnson, Rodgers, Hawthorne, Rhodes, Lister
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DavidGreenall110
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 14:25 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Cember,
Thomas Nelson Hughes and Sarah Higgs married 4 Oct 1829 and/or Alfred Hughes (b. 1833) and Mary Potts (b.c1835) married 11 Aug 1852.
David
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DavidGreenall110
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 14:38 UTC (UK) » |
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Thomas was born around 1805ish he could be related? I think his parents were Thomas Hughes and Ann Griffen but I need to check that one with the parish records.
Thomas and Sarah were married at Kinswinford, she was originally from Oldswinford, they lived at Waste Bank all their married lives.
David
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DavidGreenall110
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Re: Lye Waste
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 16:13 UTC (UK) » |
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Likewise, I need to spend a day in the Records Office ploughing through the parish records at some point, good luck with yours.
David
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