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Topic: old German profession: Tabo?????b????meister? (Read 787 times)
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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I have an old document written in German and I can't figure out the profession of my ggg-grandfather (1807-1890), who seems to have lived all his life in Flensburg.
I'm almost sure it begins T-A-B-O, then about 6 letters later there is a B (maybe a B-R-I), then about 5 letters after said B, I'm pretty sure it says "meister". So:
T-A-B-O-?-?-?-?-?-?-B-R-I-?-?-?-M-E-I-S-T-E-R
I've looked at lists of old German and Danish professions, but nothing quite fits yet.
Any guesses?
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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philipsearching
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I was a beautiful baby, - what went wrong?
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Hallo, IGS
Could you scan and post the section of the document so the handwriting whizzes can see the original?
All the best
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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Soon - soon - I'm at a technological low point right now - thanks!
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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philipsearching
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I was a beautiful baby, - what went wrong?
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I know the feeling!
All the best
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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While we're on the topic, this page comes in handy for figuring out old German occupations:
http://www.tr62.de/occupations/groups.htm
But I still can't find mine - I also have it spelled out equally illegibly in Danish, but it starts the same, I think: "Taba? "
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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Berlin-Bob
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Hi IGS,
hope you manage to post a scan soon, so we can have a look, but in the meantime, a quick thought:
Are you sure it is a B and not an ß (scharfes-S, or sz, pronounced ss) which looks very similar ?
that is a wonderful site you've found there; such a pity they haven't got to T yet 
Bob
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rjknott
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Some more old German occupations, including Ts, but not yours.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/oldgermanprofessions.html#Tabagist
Richard
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,Bird,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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Thanks everyone - and sorry not to have a scan up yet.
The profession IN DANISH appears to be:
"Tobaksarbeider"
And in German that would be:
"Tabaksarbeiter" or "Tabacksarbeiter"
And it looks like it COULD be one of those, with the suffix (?) "meister", thus:
"Tabacksarbeitermeister"
If that's grammatically acceptable, at least.
But in my document (an Ahnen-Tafel, actually) the long "s" MIGHT be an "f" and there is another "k"-looking character in there, so maybe it reads:
"Tabackfabrikemeister"
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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aghadowey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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My German is very rusty but does this make sense?
Tabak=tobacco
Fabrik=factory
Meister=master
Tobacco factory master (manager)?
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SwissGill
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi
A Fabrikmeister is something between a factory foreman and an Altgeselle (which is translated as "senior journeyman")
"A journeyman is a tradesman or craftsman who has completed an apprenticeship. In parts of Europe, as in later medieval Germany, spending time as a journeyman (Geselle), moving from one town to another to gain experience of different workshops, was an important part of the training of an aspirant master. In later medieval England, however, most journeymen remained as employees throughout their careers, lacking the financial resources to set up their own workshops"
So, Tabakfabrikmeister could be correct.
Gill
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Whitlow: Witton-cum-Twambrooks/Northwich
Owen: Cheshire
Pfisterer (Fisher): West Riding Yks 1850-1875
Fisher (Pfisterer): Des Moines, Iowa 1886-
Wallis: West Riding Yks/Des Moines, Iowa, 1892-
Heinzmann: Hull/Northwich
Pfisterer, Heinzmann, Baden-Württemberg
Brueck: Kocherstetten B-W
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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Here at last is the profession in question. Any new guesses?
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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Berlin-Bob
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by: My Daughter. Chatting to find her Roots !
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Hi Everybody,
I've collected the links for german occupations, along with another one, which shows the handwritten (!) occupations, here:
Topic: (Old) German Occupations, Trades, and Professions
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,251906.0.html
The examples in the 4th. link could also be useful to help decipher names and surnames
See also
Topic: Deciphering german handwriting
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,251912.0.html
Bob
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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This is SLIGHTLY off-topic (albeit still MY topic), but I wonder if anyone can make sense of the surname of Johann Jacob on the scan. His father was Johann David USBECK and his daughter was Sophie USBECK, but why wouldn't that surname appear with him? It looks like:
Hus---eeck
I suppose the 4th letter is NOT an "s", for in a double "s" the first is long.
And the writer's long "h"s are usually more loopy - so is it an "f"?
Also, Sophie Luiese Wilhemine's surname is giving me trouble. I'm not sure if the first letter is "D" and I don't think there's a "u" in the name, as there's no stroke floating above the letters. The crease running through the middle doesn't help, either.
-armatz?
-annatz?
-amratz?
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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