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Bawtry
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Looking for a relative, Thomas Degney, born around 1860-5 in Hartlepool or Darlington. Married a Mary Jane Simpson in 1881 and had a son called John George Degney in 1882. Mary Jane died in 1888 and I believe Thomas married again. Not sure who brought up his son John George but he married in Sheffield in 1901. Any information on the Degney family in Middlesbrough / Hartlepool / Darlington would be appreicated, I believe it is originally Irish but can't trace back further than Thomas. I believe his father was called John Degney.
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angi0
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1891 UK Census
RG12/4005 Folio 84 Page 12
Address
36 Wesley Place
Wellington street
Middlesbro..
Ann simpson Head Widow age 49 B Scotland
George son Age 19 Bottle washer B Middlesbro
Ada dau age 14 general servant b Middlesbro
John G Degney Grandson Age 10 Scholar B middlesbro
Will look further
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Bawtry
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Marvellous! I have been looking for ages for where my great grandfather lived after the death of his mother but couldn't find him - I knew his grandmother was Ann Simpson but couldn't locate him on the census. My other mystery is Thomas, his father. I know that a Thomas Close Degney married again in 1888 but I have no idea if this is the same man, because the birth dates don't quite fit.
Many thanks
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Hello
No problem
don't know if this is linked but here goes anyway
1861 UK Census
RG09 piece 2703 folio 78 page 32
130 Henderson st?
West Derby
Thomas Degney head age 52 dock labourer B Ireland
Fanny Wife age 38 B Ireland
RObert son age 16 B Liverpool
JOhn SOn Age 13 B Liverpool
James son age 11 B liverpool
MAry Ann Dau age 8 b Liverpool
will look for them on the 1871 census
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Pels.
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Hi
This looks like Thomas in 1891 .. ..
1891 census:
RG12/4004, folio 122, page 35
Yorkshire, Middlesbrough
3, Cleveland Cottages
Thos C Degney. h. mar, 27, Labourer General, b. Durham, Darlington
Ellen, wife, 22, b. Lancs, Haydock
Ann E, dau, 1, b. Yorks, Middlebrough
Ethel M Brackstone, dau, 6, Scholar, b. Essex, Barking
Kind regards,
Pels
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Bawtry
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Hi Pels, many thanks. I think this may be the Thomas I am looking for, except if it is the same Thomas, he lied about his age at his first marriage ( he would have been around 15 or 16). And he married again in the same year as the death of his first wife - maybe that was normal then?
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Thomas Close Degney married Ellen Naylor 1888 at Hartlepool.
I have seen somewhere on rootschat recently that untill the 1920's you could get married at fourteen. I'm sure some one on this site will know the details.
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Pels.
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According to the 1901 census Ethel was listed as his step
daughter, so hopefully this might give us a clue .. ..
1901 census,
RG13/4578, folio 101, page 43
Yorkshire, Middlebrough
174, Cannon Street
Thomas Degney, h. mar, 36, Wirewoks Labourer, b. Durham, Darlington
Ellen, wife, 32, b. Lancs, Haddock
Ethel M Brocksby, stepdau, 16, b. Essex, Barking
Mary J Degney, dau, 9, b. Yorks, Middlesbro'
Edith E, dau, 8, b. Durham, Hartlepool
Helen, 11 mths, b. Middlesbro'
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Bawtry
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All, thanks for your help. I have the marriage certificate of Thomas Degney and Mary Jane Simpson, they married on 2 Nov 1880 at the register office, middlesbrough. Mary Jane is listed as 18, Thomas as 19.
John Degney is listed as Thomas's father. I found a John Degney in Middlesbrough but can't establish a link.
I then found Thomas Close Degney's marriage certificate to Ellen Naylor and he is listed as "widower". But he marries in Sept 1888 and Mary Jane Simpson died in the same month - is it conceivable that he remarried in the same month? I guess they could have been seperated.
Is there any way of finding out when Thomas Degney died? It was obviously after 1901 but I can't find a reference on Ancestry.
And I wonder why he did not bring up his son, but left it to his mother in law? Maybe this is also common back in those days...
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Pels.
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I wouldn't think it was too unusual Bawtrey for the child to be brought up by his grandparents following the death of his mother.
When you say you found the marriage of Thomas to Ellen, do you mean on the indexes or have you seen the actual certificate?
Just to confirm the birth and surname of Ethel M .. ..
Birth, Mar qtr, 1885
Ethel Maud Brackston
Romford, Vol 4a, page 347
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Bawtry
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Hi, I have seen the certificate. I thought this must be the same Thomas because of the rarity of the surname Degney.
So I have both marriage certificates for Thomas
2 Nov 1880 Thomas Degney age 19 Bachelor Iron Moulder - Father John Degney, labourer
Mary Jane Simpson 18 Spinster - Father James Simpson, labourer
Mary Jane died 4th July 1888 - apologies, I originally thought it was september - age 26 years, wife of Thomas Degney, general labourer, of menorhagia (not sure what that is).
25 Sep 1888 Thomas Close Degney age 25 years Widower Iron Moulder - Father John Degney, labourer
Ellen Naylor age 20 years Spinster - Father Thomas Naylor - Labourer.
Two outstanding questions - slight difference in the names - Thomas and Thomas Close and secondly, there is a discrepancy in ages when he marries ( 19 and 25 ).
Other questions - Thomas seems to have been born in Darlington according to the Census information, yet he does not appear in the FreeBMD information. I was hoping to find his mother's name from this. The only John Degney I have managed to find is one who lived in 1881 with a wife called Jane but can't establish if these are actually Thomas's parents.
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Bawtry
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I think i have now found Thomas Degney. The Degney family appeared to be listed as "Digma" in 1871 and they have children whose names seem to match the family.
1861 - The Degneys now appear as Degnan in Darlington
1851 - The Degneys now appear as Digonon!
So, I am guessing that the census writers couldn't interpret / spell the surname correctly and that it must be Degney.
I now know who Thomas's parents are but can't find a marriage certificate or BMD birth reference - I know Thomas must be born around 1864-5 but who knows what surname he appears under?!
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Pels.
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While I get over the shock .. .. I have just typed out all the above census years on WordPad with the intention of sending them the minute I'd finished the 1851! 
DS very kindly pointed me in the right direction earlier but didn't have time to tell you himself!
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Pels.
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1881 census:
RG11/4888, folio 139, page 49
Durham, Darlington
25, Union Street
John Degney, h. mar, 60, Bricklayer Labourer, b. Ireland
Jane, wife, 55, b. Northumberland, Nth Shields
Also living in the same property there appears to be two other families.
Kind regards,
Pels
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Pels.
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1871 census:
RG10/4884, folio 31, page 52
Durham, Darlington, Holy Trinity
1, Bakehouse Square
John Digma, h. mar, 51, Labourer, b. Ireland
Jane, wife, 46, b. Durham, Shields
Ann, dau, unm, 21, Dressmaker, b. Durham, Darlington
Margaret, dau, 13, Worsted Spinner
Hugh, son, 11, Scholar
Catherine, dau, 9
Thomas, son, 6
John Ganson, boarder, unm, 70, Gardener, b. Durham, Neasham
All children born in Darlington
Kind regards,
Pels
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