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Bawtry
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Recieved John Digman (Degney?) and Jane Close's marriage certificate.
Jan 18th 1847 Stockton Parish Church - they are both listed as "full age", John being a labourer and Jane having no occupation.
John's father was Peter Digman (Degney?) who was a weaver and Jane's father was a Shipwright.
John and Jane Degney's second son was called James (first son was called John) but I thought Jane's father would be Thomas Close (because his grandson is Thomas Close).
I don't know if Peter Digman was still in Ireland or had moved over with John.
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Hello Bawtry
This might well be Jane’s family (even though she is not with them)
1841
Stockton HO107/316/12 Folio 28 Page 18
James Close 45 Shipwright
Mary do 45
Mary do 20
James do 20 Shipwright
William do 15 Shipwright
John do 13 Joiner
Esther do 10
Thomas do 5
Robert do 5
Elizabeth Finn 80
New Stranton, Hartlepool
Wife Mary was born in Durham. All others were born in Northumberland (based on later censuses and other information) apart from the Mother in Law who was from Yorkshire.
On http://www.familysearch.org/ there is a submitted Ancestral File for this family and whilst submitted files need to be treated with a degree of caution, a lot of what it contains seems to be verifiable from the censuses.
To get to the file, search for James Close 1796 and it should appear at the top of the list. Click on his name and it will take you to the file. Once in the file, if you click on his wife’s name (Mary Finn) and then on the word “Family” at the right of her name it will give you further information about each of their children. You can also see details of their respective parents if you keep clicking on the word “Family” at the appropriate places.
Some of the children’s names are repeated in the file because more than one person has submitted the information. You can find the names and addresses of the submitters by clicking on the word “Details” on the opening page of the file.
The names on the 1841 census all tie up with the file and other children (not shown with the family in 1841) such as Jane and Isabella are visible in 1851 with their husbands. Marriage information can be found for them and some of the others on FreeBMD and also on Tees Valley Indexes, which confirms who married who http://www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk/. Esther died in 1845 according to FreeBMD.
Probably the best thing would be for you to have a look and then, if you wish, ask us for further information about specific family members, otherwise this might get very confusing if I just carry on.
I hope this helps (for starters)
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Here are the main family again in 1851.
Stockton HO107/2384 Folio 198 Page 54
James Close Head M 55 Shipwright Northum’d No Shields
Mary do Wife M 55 Durham Durham
James do Son U 19 Shipwright Northum’d No Shields
Thomas do Son U 18 Shipwright Northum’d Tynemouth
Robert do Son U 17 Shipwright Northum’d Tynemouth
Elizabeth Finn Mother in Law Wid 85 Yorkshire Ripley
Margaret Charlton Lodger U 19 Northum’d Tynemouth
Middleton, Stranton, Hartlepool
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Bawtry
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many many thanks DS for the information on the Close family. I wish I had as much on the Degney / Digman / Degnan family, whatever is our correct spelling!
I am assuming that a Shipwright is a shipbuilder? (forgive my ignorance).
I wonder where Jane got to in the 1841 Census, presumably she could be in service or something like that?
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Hi
I think that you are probably correct that Jane and some of the other girls were working as servants elsewhere. There are a few candidates on the 1841 census for them but nothing to make the identifications absolutely positive.
There are extracted records on the IGI in batch C155984 for the christenings of the first five children, at Christ Church Tynemouth, which add a bit more validity to the Ancestral File. Unfortunately, the records for the later children do not seem to appear on the IGI, except in submitted files, but the census information serves to validate them.
If you have a good look around on the 1851 and later censuses I am sure that you will find a few entries for the main Close family and for some of their married children.
I cannot see John or Peter D..... in 1841. I would guess that they were still in Ireland but someone else might find them and prove me wrong.
Here is a link which might be useful to answer your immediate question and for future reference http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html
Enjoy the search and give us a shout if you need any help
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Thanks for your help. My surname is Degney and as far back as my great grandfather, we are Degney's. It is before the 1881 census that it appears as variously Degnan, Digma, Digman. I am assuming that it was always Degney but the accents confused them and the fact that Jane and John couldn't write. Nowhere can I find the area of Ireland where John came from because it consistantly says "Ireland" in the census rather than just a county. I have been informed on other sections of Rootschat that there are no records because Ireland was fully a part of the UK at the time so people were free to move around. So I think I am stuck. There are some earlier census records of some Degney's in Coatbridge and they are listed from County Down but can't establish a link so I am a little stuck with that.
But I can get going with the Close family so many thanks!
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Sorry, I am stuck again.
John Digman (really Degney) and Jane Close married in 1848 in Stockton and they are listed as John Digma etc in the 1851 census. There are listed as having a son called John but by 1861 he has disappeared. I am confused because I can't seem to find a death certificate (I am making the assumption that he died as a child but can't find him in the list.
Both John and Jane could not spell and the surname Degney seems to be consistently spelt incorrectly but can't see to find anything to match.
Can anyone help please?
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Pels.
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Hi again,
I wonder if this could be young John .. ..
Death, Sept 1854
John Degnin
Stockton, Vol 10a, page 20
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N.Yks., D'ham: Gains/Gaines. N. Yks.: Burrill/Burrell, Clarkson, Terry, Percival, Thackeray, Robinson, Elsworth, Bowe, A'ton, Paylor, Addison, Stelling. D'ham/Eng. Illinois/Missouri/Rosyln, USA : Cadwell. Lancs.: Moss, Farrington, Hodskinson, Moore. N'folk: Turner. Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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I bet that is John because he disappears on the 1861 census. I'll order the certificate and let you know what it says.
Thanks Pels, you are a star 
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Pels.
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I've just had a quick trawl through the 1851 census to see if I could find another John Degnin who may have fitted in with the death in 1854.
I couldn't - that makes it look quite hopeful but because of the surname variations it doesn't really count for much either I'm afraid!
Fingers crossed with the certificate! 
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N.Yks., D'ham: Gains/Gaines. N. Yks.: Burrill/Burrell, Clarkson, Terry, Percival, Thackeray, Robinson, Elsworth, Bowe, A'ton, Paylor, Addison, Stelling. D'ham/Eng. Illinois/Missouri/Rosyln, USA : Cadwell. Lancs.: Moss, Farrington, Hodskinson, Moore. N'folk: Turner. Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Folks,
Being a bit lazy here. I want to find out when Thomas Degney died. I have entered his name into freebmd and all the possible badly spelt versions of our surname!!! but came up with nothing. Freebmd in terms of a searchable database seems to end circa 1920 - is there any alternative to looking up the death record other than trawling through all the death records from 1920s to around the 1950s?
Please don't tell me off for being lazy, I will do it but before I started, I wondered if anyone has any tips?
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Pels.
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As if we would tell you off for being lazy!
I have to agree with Madpants .. .. 
Unless some other way has been devised and I'm being deliberately kept in the dark about it .. I can't think of anything else other than to trawl the deaths? 
As you say there are so many variations of the name .. 
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N.Yks., D'ham: Gains/Gaines. N. Yks.: Burrill/Burrell, Clarkson, Terry, Percival, Thackeray, Robinson, Elsworth, Bowe, A'ton, Paylor, Addison, Stelling. D'ham/Eng. Illinois/Missouri/Rosyln, USA : Cadwell. Lancs.: Moss, Farrington, Hodskinson, Moore. N'folk: Turner. Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Bawtry
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Thanks all,
Thomas Degney did live in Hartlepool in 1901 so I guess this sounds a good guess. He would have been around 60 in 1924.
Life would be much easier if everyone learnt to spell Degney correctly!
Thanks all!
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