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Topic: verzogen nach Amerika = moved to America? (Read 145 times)
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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After staring at an Ahnen-Tafel for 10 days, I finally realized that in the death and burial section for my great-great-grandfather, it says "verzogen nach Amerika". Does this essentially mean "moved to America"?
If so, I thought so, but I can't find him. Can anyone else?
I've featured him in some of my other posts -
Carl Gottlieb SCHÖNHERR / SCHOENHERR
profession: Schmidtgesellen/Schmiedegesellen (journeyman smith); Kohlenzieher (coal trimmer); Heizer (stoker/fireman)
born: 10 Apr 1834 Börtewitz or Kleinpelsen, Sachsen (Kingdom of Saxony)
christened: 13 Apr 1834
confirmed: 16 Apr 1848
religion: Lutheran
married: 26 Dec 1859 St Michaelis Kirke, Fredericia, Vejle, Denmark
spouse: Sophie Catharina Emilie USBECK (1838 Flensburg, Denmark-?)
died: ?
buried: ?
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His (presumably first) son, Carl Heinrich Thomas SCHÖNHERR, was born in Flensburg (then still part of Denmark) on 01 Nov 1859, and ultimately settled there. I believe Carl Gottlieb and Sophie had two other sons, but I have no record of them.
According to the Bremen, Germany Ships Crew Lists, 1821-1873 and the Bremen, Germany Sailors Registry, 1837-1873 (on Ancestry), Carl Gottlieb made several trips to New York, working on various steamships sailing from Bremen. The last I saw of him he was on the Hermann which sailed on (I think) 19 May 1866, and which arrived in New York 04 Jun 1866. Unfortunately, his "Entlassen" or release date for this voyage is blank in the registry - but so it is for a few other voyages.
So I don't know if he wound up in the United States or Canada or Central America or South America. The US censuses haven't turned him up, yet. And since his wife's death and burial section are also blank in the Ahnen-Tafel, I assume she accompanied him to wherever he went.
But when and where?
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HULME(S): Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GRAY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAW(E), FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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Peonie (mz)
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Hi IGS
you are right, "verzogen nach Amerika" means moved to America. It could also be Canada or South America. Sorry I can't help you with the rest.
mz
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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Thanks for the confirmation. All my life I assumed that Carl's grandchildren were the ones to emigrate from Flensburg - beginning in the 1920s - so this is a complete surprise and mystery to me.
To add to the confusion, Carl's place of birth could be described as Sachsen (Saxony), Prussia, or Germany. And although Sophie (as her father before her) was born in Flensburg when it was still part of Denmark, I don't know if she considered herself a Dane, a "Schleswiger" (?), a Prussian, a German, or what.
As for more clues, Sophie's mother, Sophie Louise Wilhelmine USBECK [geb. DARMADT?], born in Schönweide, Schleswig-Holstein, in 1806, also has no data filled in for death and burial on the Ahnen-Tafel, so conceivably should could have accompanied her children to "Amerika". Sophie's father's date and place of death is blank, but he was buried in Flensburg 22 Sep 1890.
Carl's grandson apparently visited a female cousin (married to a policeman) in Chicago in the 1940s, but I've had no luck tracking her down yet, either, as I don't know her first or married names.
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HULME(S): Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GRAY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAW(E), FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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If there's a Danish connection try searching on this site: http://ddd.dda.dk
In addition to census records there's also a section on people applying to leave Denmark.
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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Thanks! That's a great site - I've found lots of my ancestors on the old censuses there in the past two weeks.
I discovered two SCHÖNHERRs on the Emigrant/Immigrant databases, though I didn't find Carl and Sophie - but I think the family's Danish connection technically ended in 1864 (when Denmark lost Schleswig), so they wouldn't necessarily have emigrated via Denmark. Then again, I haven't had luck looking on the Hamburg or Bremen passenger lists, either.
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HULME(S): Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GRAY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAW(E), FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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aghadowey
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Yes, it's a fantastic site- I even managed to find my uncle's Jensen and Christensen families there with some creative searching. Have you tried looking for the mother-in-law there?
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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It's funny - I can't seem to find her in 1835, 1845, or 1855, or Sophie in 1845 or 1855. I've tried all whichaways there and here:
http://www.akvz.de/e107_plugins/akvzdb_menu/akvzdb.php
http://www.aggsh.de/myscripts/vz_witt_start_eng.html
P.S. I have some collateral CHRISTIANSENs from Schleswig/Sydslesvig - if you need any. I think the place names are Klintum, Achtrup, Medelby, and Ellund.
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HULME(S): Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GRAY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAW(E), FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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aghadowey
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If Sophie's family are not appearing anywhere wonder if the name is spelt differently in Denmark than Germany and they are under another name.
Thanks for the offer re: Christensen but uncle's mother was from Aarhus. With DDD site managed to get them back a few more generations.
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