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Topic: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South **Completed** (Read 2608 times)
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Koromo
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Greetings
I'm in search of info about two families in Waimate:
Backgound:
On the 1841 census from Deal, Kent, there is a family including two daughters:
Ann Eliza Day, b. 1826
Elizabeth Day, b. 1828
Ann Eliza Day married Samuel William Goldsmith in Lambeth Surrey 1852, and emigrated to NZ on the Strathallan in 1858/9, arriving Timaru.
Elizabeth Day married John Jones Bowles in Deal [Eastry] Kent 1850, and emigrated to NZ on the Mystery in 1858/9, arriving Lyttelton and then moving down to Timaru.
Both families finally ended up in Waimate.
Elizabeth (Day) and John J Bowles had 5 children, one of them called Minnie Ellen (my g-grandmother) b. 1859, Lyttelton.
John J Bowles died 1867. His widow Elizabeth married again in 1869. Some notes left by my mother state that Minnie was adopted "in her late teens" by Mr and Mrs Goldsmith, but clearly did not know that Elizabeth Bowles and Ann Goldsmith were/might have been sisters. Minnie became Minnie Ellen Goldsmith Bowles - I believe a younger brother Willie [Goldsmith] Bowles was similarly adopted, all this before legal adoption procedures were in place in NZ.
Before I start splashing out on certificates/probates to help verfiy that Elizabeth and Ann Eliza really were sisters, may I ask for some BMD look-ups, please. Their UK marriage certs will only give their fathers' names, but I'm after their mothers' names too.
1910 death for Elizabeth Manchester (formerly Bowles, née Day)
1913 death for Ann Eliza Goldsmith (née Day)
1869 marriage for Elizabeth Bowles (née Day) to William Manchester (probably no parents' names!)
1859 birth for Minnie (Ellen) Bowles, Lyttelton (I think)
c1867 birth for Willie/William Bowles, somewhere in Canterbury 
c1860s birth for Samuel William Goldsmith (possible son of Ann) and/or c1880s marriage
any electoral roll info for the above names in Waimate
I already have Minnie's 1880 marriage cert, but there are no parents' names for either bride or groom — grrrrrr!
All the evidence I've found so far feels right, but I'm at the stage where I need more definitive proof.
Some refs:
1841 HO107/466/2/36/17 (Day)
1851 HO107/1631/781/20 (Day), HO107/1631/832/25 (Bowler/Bowles)
1903 NZ Cyclopedia entry for Samuel William Goldsmith
I can see there are probates of some of my Goldsmiths/Bowles on the Archway Archives.
Cheers
Koromo
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Kea
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Hi Koromo,
I was in at the ChCh Library this morning and found this on the card index:
BOWLES Minnie Ellen Goldsmith, born 26 April 1859, babtised 19 May 1859, Holy Trinity Church, Lyttelton
Parents: John Jones Bowles and Elizabeth Bowles.
Occupation: Mariner
Residence: Timaru
Also found a marriage:
Rangiora, 14 Nov 1892
BOWLES Willie Goldsmith, 26 yrs, born Timaru, farmer, and WYCHERLEY Mary Jane Paget, 35 years, born West Indies
Parents: John Jones Bowles and Elizabeth Manchester Bowles nee Day
Captain Thomas Bernard Wycherley and Harriet Ann nee Card
Marriage took place at Wycherley residence, Rangiora.
Quite a few other Goldsmiths but ran out of time!
Stephanie
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Koromo
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Sorry, Bren. I've sort of put up my working list of certs which might have useful info on them, ie parents' names etc, and I kept on adding notes to myself!  I have seen a Bowles tree, but I've found errors and omissions on it and I hoped to check a date or two (and clarify my thinking) before ordering any certs.
Stephanie, thank you very much for looking up the card index. I'm a bit troubled now as it seems Minnie was given her Goldsmith name at birth, whereas I'd expected that she took on the name after being adopted by the Goldsmiths.
A Google on Wycherley in Rangiora brought up May Jane Paget Bowle's death in 1899, and her father had been captain of a ship named the Sir Edward Paget which made one passage to Canterbury - so that's all interesting!
Regards
Koromo
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Hi Koromo
don't know if this is going to help or hinder, but here goes....:
1910 death for Elizabeth Manchester (formerly Bowles, née Day)
2201, Sep qtr, Waimate
1913 death for Ann Eliza Goldsmith (née Day)
2339, Sep qtr, Waimate
No BOWLES births 1840 – 1855, 1857, 1859, 1862, 1864, 1867
1856
BOWLES, Unnamed female, 51, Wellington
1858
BOWLES, Unnamed female, 97, Wellington
1859
GOLDSMITH, Frederick William, 55, Turanga
1859 birth for Minnie (Ellen) Bowles, Lyttelton (I think) - can't find!
(Is it possible she was born in the UK?)
1860
BOWLES, Caroline Rachel, 132, Wellington
BOWLES, Winifred Reid, 5014, Auckland
c1860s birth for Samuel William Goldsmith (possible son of Ann) – can't find!
(see 1866 BOWLES birth, could this be one and the same person….??)
1861
BOWLES, John William, 353, Timaru
1862
GOLDSMITH, Alfred George, 95, Turanga
1863
BOWLES, Mary Redman, 433, Timaru
GOLDSMITH, Albert Edward, 6842, Auckland
1865
BOWLES, Catherine, 570, Dunedin
GOLDSMITH, Female (unnamed), 9542, Auckland
1866
BOWLES, John Patrick, 870, Dunedin
BOWLES, Willie Goldsmith, 679, Timaru
c1867 birth for Willie/William Bowles, somewhere in Canterbury
1867
GOLDSMITH, Mary Ann, 55, Auckland
GOLDSMITH, Oliver George, 319, Turanga
Bren.
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MATHEWS - Ireland - Aust - NZ; McCALL - Ayr - Bute - Aust; MEYER - Germany - LAN - Ireland - NZ; QUINN - Tipperary; ROBERTS - LAN; WILSON - Glasgow - LAN - London; WILTON - SOM - NZ
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Koromo
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Hi Bren
It does help, really!
How strange that Minnie Ellen G Bowles' birth isn't there, when she appears on the card index that Stephanie found. The ship on which her family came to NZ arrived in Lyttelton on 29-30 March 1859, so she was born 27 days later - perhaps they didn't know where the registry office was, or she is registered under an entirely different name!
Mary Redman Bowles might be mine too - there was another daughter known as Polly ...
Samuel William Goldsmith may have been born in the UK. His parents married (he of Lambeth, she of Deal, Kent) in 1852, and there are two possibles on FreeBMD born in 1857 but in Loddon, Norfolk which is confusing.
Thank you very much for checking through all those years.
Regards
Koromo
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Koromo
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1945 Marjorie Goldsmith to John Raymond MOIR
What got me looking at the Goldsmith/Bowles families again was receiving a few days ago a photocopy of a photocopy of a page from some booklet(?) about Waimate - the sort of thing that is produced for a town or school centennary. It has an unrecognisable (ie. almost solid black!) photo of Waimate School Staff labelled 1882 which includes Miss P Bowles and Miss M Bowles. In the margin in my uncle's handwriting it says:
"From Marjorie Moir (née Goldsmith) Dunedin. Her grandmother and ours were sisters - Bowles"
I was so pleased to see that my suspicion that Ann Goldsmith and Elizabeth Bowles were sisters was probably correct, but now I can't work out the relationships. If Marjorie Moir was a Goldmsith Bowles (not just a Goldsmith), 'her grandmother and ours' must be the same woman. I must have screwed something up somewhere. I will have to bite the bullet and order their death certs and cross my fingers that the informants were very well-informed.
I am becoming more convinced that Mary Redman is Polly ... I've now found Mary and Henry Berryman's burials in Nelson's online cemetery records, and their son Stanley on the Commonwealth Graves and Auckland Cenotaph sites.
In a couple of weeks I'll be visiting England where I have arranged to view some parish registers at a LDS Family History Centre for the first time ever, so I will have first-hand experience of what it's like searching through film/fiche records - I'm quite nervous! I must find out how long it would take to get NZ film/fiche for a future visit.
Thank you, Bren.
Regards
K.
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Koromo
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Stephanie, I'd looked at the Waimate cemetery records before, but not recently. Thank you for reminding me - I've found more people to do with the new names that you and Bren have discovered. It's good of you offer to check the card index again - I'm frantically trying to think of any other family who might be there, but they do all seem to have moved southwards.
Bren, we will be visiting my OH's family in Norfolk, so I arranged for the films to be sent to Kings Lynn. On the rare occasions we do get down to London for a day trip, we tend to be IN a museum or taking a trip on the Thames or something. I don't think I could get away with spending the day there at the LDS!
Many thanks to you both.
K.
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Hi Koromo
2 x ITM
5 November 1889
Henry Giles BERRYMAN, Widower, Draper, 30, Waimate, 6 yrs
Mary Redman BOWLES, Spinster,,26, Waimate, 9 mths,
@ Residence of Saml Wm Goldsmith, Waimate, Wm G. Thomas, Wesleyan
3 August 1880
John James LEWIS, Bachelor, Wesleyan Minister, 35, Waimate, 6mths
Minnie Ellen Goldsmith BOWLES, Spinster, Teacher, 21, Waimate, 18 mths,
@Wesleyan Church, Waimate, xxxxx Reid, Wesleyan Minister
Probate for Henry Giles BERRYMAN, died at Nelson 31 August 1942.
retired Sheep-farmer, born Porthmear, England
son Frederick Roberts BERRYMAN of Motupiko, sheep farmer, trustee
(born at Ashburton)
after paying debts, residue of estate to wife, Mary Redman BERRYMAN – if pre-decease him then to son.
Bren.
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Koromo
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Yes! It's all tying up so nicely! 
Minnie and her Wesleyan minister husband were posted up to Napier shortly after their marriage and then to Christchurch, so it makes sense that her sister Mary Redman was married at Samuel W Goldmsith's house. And you checked the Berryman probate too! I will have a happy time this morning looking for Henry B on the UK censuses.
Bren, I am so grateful for all the time you've spent chasing my family around. I'm really chuffed!
Regards
Koromo
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Hi Koromo,
I looked up the two probates for you.
John William BOWLES, Labourer, died 15 March 1894
Left everything to his brother Willie Goldsmith BOWLES of Waimate.
(So he is "yours"!)
William MANCHESTER provided an affidavit.
Ann Eliza GOLDSMITH, died 11 July 1913
There is a beautifully handwritten will which you might like to order a copy of but I noted the main points.
Executors and trustees: William MANCHESTER, farmer of Waimate and James NIND, Gardener of Waimate. (Her brother as you will see...)
If James NIND predeceases her, Richard HUTT, Tailor, in his place.
The residue of her estate to be put in trust and from that the trustees are to pay the following:
Methodist Church, Waimate - 10 pounds
Methodist Sunday School, Waimate - 10 pounds
Church choir - 10 pounds
Ladies Benevolent Society - 10 pounds
Minnie Ellen Goldsmith LEWIS, wife of John J LEWIS (Weslyan Minister - 200 pounds
Ellen NIND, wife of James - 30 pounds
Caroline ARCHER, widow of Isaac ARCHER, farmer of Waimate - 100 pounds
Olive KELCHER, wife of Thomas William KELCHER of Hurstlea, 50 pounds
Geoffry GRAY, Harold GRAY and Eileen GRAY, the children of Joseph GRAY, schoolmaster, - each 70 pounds
Elizabeth KING, wife of Walter of Ormondville - 20 pounds
Mary Redman BERRYMAN, wife of Henry Giles BERRYMAN of Mount Noble - 20 pounds
Henry Giles BERRYMAN - 10 pounds
Emily MANCHESTER, wife of Henry MANCHESTER, Gardener, Waimate - 20 pounds
Joy MANCHESTER, his daughter - 5 pounds
Edwin GOLDSMITH, Draper of Hastings - 50 pounds
William, Stella and Alice GOLDSMITH, children of the late William GOLDSMITH - 100 pounds each
Emma OLIVER of Timaru - 10 pounds
The trustees - 5 pounds each
She also made a special note that any money given to females was for her sole and separate use!
In a codicil to the will she also left:
To her sister Caroline ARCHER, her gold watch and chain, brooches and clothes.
To Mrs McElary and her daughter all her books.
To her brother and sister James and Helen NIND all moneys after expenses paid.
The witness to the will was Arthur James MANCHESTER
So .... lots of names to go on! I hope it all fits together for you!
Interesting that Ann's brother is a NIND and you thought her maiden name was DAY!
I also had another look at the cards in the library and found two marriages and a birth for children of William Goldsmith BOWLES and Mary Jane. Do you want those too?
Also some other Goldsmiths in and around Christchurch but Ithink they're from Norfolk.
Cheers,
Stephanie
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