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Koromo
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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #30 on: Friday 31 August 07 18:17 BST (UK) »

LOL! Damn keyboards!!!!

The Blackmore name doesn't ring any bells, but who knows what I've yet to discover. There isn't an Ellen Mayfield to a Blackmore lurking on the index, is there?

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #31 on: Friday 31 August 07 20:41 BST (UK) »

1899
Helen MAYFIELD to John Davy BLACKMORE.......

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #32 on: Friday 31 August 07 23:57 BST (UK) »

Good grief! I can't believe it!

IF she started out as Helen Day, b. 1848/9 Deal, Kent (as per FreeBMD and the censuses)
- she married her first husband, Robert Mayfield, at age 15 in 1865, Deal (as Ellen)
- her second husband, John Blackmore, at age 49 in 1899, NZ
- her third husband, James Nind, at age 55 in 1905

It fits the 1913 will of Ann Eliza Goldsmith (née Day) leaving items to her sister Ellen Nind, but it's a bit tortuous!

Thanks, Bren
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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 01 September 07 00:12 BST (UK) »

Hi Koromo

I’m so excited for you!!!
It took 3 phone calls to track her down, but it’s definitely the right family, she is a descendant of Elizabeth Sarah Bowles.

She said her Dad went to live with the “Rev Lewis” when he started work in the Hutt Valley!!
She was delighted to be able to talk about the BOWLES family and I think would have reminisced all day!

Her sight is not too good and suggested I ring her daughter (which I had already tried) as she is into Family History too and has a computer. Will try again tonight when she is home from work, or tomorrow to get hold of her.

Perhaps you could PM me your name and email address.

Now, about Polly.
She told me she was Fanny Barabus(sic) BOWLES, always known as Polly and a teacher in Waimate.
On checking the marriages there is:
1874
Fanny Basshaba BOWLES
James A BOYD

… think I would stick with Polly too!!

but that poses another riddle as I didn’t find a birth in NZ for a Fanny…

Oh well, sounds like this lady and her family know all about Fanny and are equally interested to know about your Minnie Ellen Goldsmith BOWLES.

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 01 September 07 09:06 BST (UK) »

I don't know what to say!

Elizabeth Sarah Bowles went to live near Dannevirke and had 13 children so there had to be many descendants out there, and then to find one whose father had stayed with my gt-grandparents Rev Lewis and Minnie from Waimate - well, I'm speechless.

Bren, I'll never be able to thank you enough for persevering with my Bowles family.

I'll just sit here quietly and read your post for the hundredth time!
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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 01 September 07 10:05 BST (UK) »

Hi Koromo

Yes she mentioned 13 children, I think she said her dad was the youngest.
I think she will be a great source of information for you. She sounded so genuinely delighted that I had phoned.

Unfortunately no reply from the daughter's phone, so will try again tomorrow. Might have to wait until the evening as I have visitors for lunch (Father's Day), so don't think I have forgotten you...

I guess it's a bit early in the day for you to have a stiff drink!!

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 01 September 07 10:13 BST (UK) »

Quote from: KiwiBren on Saturday 01 September 07 10:05 BST (UK)

I guess it's a bit early in the day for you to have a stiff drink!!

LOL! Tis a bit, but it's coming up to lunch! Grin

Hope these phone calls aren't costing you a packet. Have an enjoyable Father's Day.

Kind regards
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James - Cornwall
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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 01 September 07 13:16 BST (UK) »

Hi ..have only just joined this website ...& don't have internet access at home ... so am relying on visits to the local library!

Was interested to read the messages on this site ...especially as Henry Giles Berryman is related to me ... he was a nephew to my Great Great Great Grandfather!!

I wonder if anyone can help me find out anything about his children ..I've already tracked down information on his son Stanley ... & I gathered one more son's name from your message board ...but i wonder if there were any more children .... in my Great grandmother's possessions there were clippings from New Zealand showing Stanley Berryman & W. O. Berryman (I wondered if they might have been brothers!) ... & there was also a photograph of a little girl aged about 7 named Ruth May Berryman .. at Mount Noble. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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BERRYMAN
KITTO
HONEY
JAMES
TREWERN
DINGLE
EDDY

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 01 September 07 14:03 BST (UK) »

Hi James
Welcome to RootsChat

Have you found Stanley Berryman's photo here yet?
Auckland War Museum database

I've only just learned about the Berryman connection to 'my' Bowles family, so I don't know very much yet. I did find a bit of info from this post on a forum to do with military medals: British Medal Forum

I haven't found any connection between the NZ Berrymans with the VC winner, John Berryman at Balaclava - are they all related? It appears that Henry Giles Berryman was from your part of the world whereas John Berryman VC was born in Dudley, Worcestershire.

I am very hopeful that someone from the NZ Berryman family might soon be in touch and be able to provide further information.

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 01 September 07 21:35 BST (UK) »

Hi James

There are these marriages:
1931
Ruth May BERRYMAN
John ORGIAS

1934
Stanley BERRYMAN
Lilian SNOWDEN

(is this a son of the Stanley you mentioned?)

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #40 on: Monday 03 September 07 17:29 BST (UK) »

Bren & Koromo - thank you so much for your help - very interesting!

Have received information today that Henry Giles Berryman & his wife Eva had two children: Mable & William Oswald, & with his second wife , Mary, had 4 children : Frederick, Stanley, Ruth May & Hugh - as yet i don't have any dates for any of the children. Can't believe how quickly the information has come my way via this website!

Can anyone help me find out which ship Henry Giles Berryman travelled to NZ on, & when.

Good luck in your research! James


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BERRYMAN
KITTO
HONEY
JAMES
TREWERN
DINGLE
EDDY

Koromo
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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #41 on: Monday 03 September 07 20:06 BST (UK) »

Hi James

The likeliest that I've found is the Wairoa, which sailed out to NZ in 1877. A Henry Berriman is listed as a farm labourer from Cornwall, aged 19.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/Wairoa1877.htm

Looks good, doesn't it!

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #42 on: Monday 03 September 07 21:59 BST (UK) »

Hi James

Marriages:

1910
Mabel BERRYMAN
Bruce GRAHAME

1917
Mabel Elizabeth BERRYMAN
George RUTHERFORD

1875
William BERRYMAN
Mary GREENING

1915
William BERRYMAN
Emily Amelia BROWN

(No marriages for a William Oswald)

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 13:30 BST (UK) »

Thanks guys!!

Yes ...the Wairoa seems to be very likely as the ship Henry Giles Berryman came over on in 1877.

Thanks for the marriage dates too ... all useful pieces in this fascinating jigsaw puzzle!!!

James


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BERRYMAN
KITTO
HONEY
JAMES
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DINGLE
EDDY

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Re: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 06 September 07 12:58 BST (UK) »

On closer inspection, the Henry Berriman on Wairoa was 30 years old ...which makes him a bit too old to be Henry Giles Berryman, I reckon ....any more ideas?
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