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Topic: BOWLES and GOLDSMITH of Waimate South (Read 2531 times)
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Koromo
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James, you're right, he is listed as being 30 and not the misaligned 19! Ages on passenger lists can be extremely inaccurate, but I agree that being ~10 years out is a bit disturbing. Most passenger lists that are found online are transcribed by volunteers and I haven't a clue how many ships don't appear on the various lists - hundreds? thousands?
If Henry Giles Berryman/Berriman was a NZ government immigrant, there must have been an official record kept somewhere. Does anyone know if such records still exist?
Bren, I have been in contact with the person you rang and she is checking through her info. 
Cheers
Koromo
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Koromo
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James, ArchivesNZ hold some records for government-assisted immigrants, but unfortunately they are not online. See http://www.archives.govt.nz/docs/pdfs/Ref_Guide_Migration.pdf
Bren: I have now been to a LDS centre and understand what it's like to search through films. I knew the dates of the people I was looking up, but everyone says to look at the source of the IGI entries just in case there is any more detail. Sadly, there wasn't! Never mind, I've learned a lot. I'm going back on Saturday with a digital camera to see if I can get a reasonable shot of the parish register entries on the film reader's screen - then a quick dash to watch a certain rugby match!
Through the Bowles descendant you phoned, we are still working out who Polly was and I am coming back to thinking she was Mary Redman Bowles. However, Fanny Basshaba Bowles is still a mystery - it's possible that she is from an entirely different Bowles family and I would need to get her marriage cert to verify her parents. Trouble is, I have other priorities with regards to buying more certs - she might have to remain on hold for the moment.
Delighted to hear that all your letter writing has come to fruition at last. Such patience! Hope it turns into a goldmine of information for you.
Regards
Koromo
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Census information is Crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk________________________________________________________________ Lewis: Abergavenny | London | NZ | Chilliwack, BC Stallworthy: Bucks | Samoa | NZ | Canada Brothers: Nottingham | Salford | NZ Gronous: Kington | London Darling: Dunbar | Samoa Keat: Cornwall | NZ Bowles: Deal | NZ Coaney: Bucks Jones: Brecon |
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KiwiBren
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Hi Koromo
Don’t know if this will help or confuse things even more, but here are the details of the ITM for Fanny BOWLES:
James Augustus Boyd, Bachelor, Painter, 21, Wellington, 18yrs
Fanny Barshaba BOWLES, Spinster, d Jesse BOWLES Porirua Rd Labourer, 18, Wellington, 18yrs
Primitive Methodist Chapel, Sydney St; Rev R WARD
Jesse BOWLES, father, gave permission for the bride to marry.
Bren.
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ARROWSMITH - LAN - Ireland - NZ; CAMPBELL - LAN - Scot - Nthn Ireland - Aust; CAMERON - Edinburgh - Aust - NZ; CURTIS - SRY - NZ; GRAHAM - Glasgow - Edinburgh; HEIGHTON - LEI - NZ; HINDMARSH - Ayr - Bute
MATHEWS - Ireland - Aust - NZ; McCALL - Ayr - Bute - Aust; MEYER - Germany - LAN - Ireland - NZ; QUINN - Tipperary; ROBERTS - LAN; WILSON - Glasgow - LAN - London; WILTON - SOM - NZ
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Koromo
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Hello Bren
I think you have solved the mystery of Fanny, and you've saved me $20! With the wrong father's name, and at 18 years old and resident for 18 years, she has to have been born in NZ in ~1856 which is 3 years before 'my' Bowles family emigrated from the UK. Pity she doesn't belong - Basshaba/Barshaba is an interesting name to have on one's tree.
According to the Berryman descendant, Mary Redman Bowles was also known as Mary Manchester after her mother married again but didn't get on with her step-father and went to live with the Goldsmiths in Waimate. She became known as Mary Goldsmith for a while before reverting to her Bowles name whilst teaching there. No wonder there is such confusion over these two families!
Thank you for taking the time to look for the ITM. I can stop wondering about Fanny now.
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Koromo
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Census information is Crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk________________________________________________________________ Lewis: Abergavenny | London | NZ | Chilliwack, BC Stallworthy: Bucks | Samoa | NZ | Canada Brothers: Nottingham | Salford | NZ Gronous: Kington | London Darling: Dunbar | Samoa Keat: Cornwall | NZ Bowles: Deal | NZ Coaney: Bucks Jones: Brecon |
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Carole25
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Hi Koromo,
James Nind, who married Ellen Blackmore (nee Day) in 1905; is my great grandmother's uncle and I have information on him.
regards Carole
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Averis, Averies All; Nind Brackley, Northants;
McLauchlan, Perthshire, Scot; North Canterbury, NZ;
Galletly, Perthshire, Scot; Gaudion, Alderney, Channel Islands; Dickinson Flookburgh, LAN, Witherslack, WES; Bland Flookburgh, LAN; Sloan, Kippford, KKD, Scot; Mills, Northampton, ENG
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Koromo
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Hi Carole and welcome to Rootschat! 
So, James Nind is one of your family - he has such an unusual name. I have his death on 28 Nov 1915, Waimate, but I would be interested to know his birthdate and where born. Was his first wife an Emma?
Helen Nind (previously Blackmore, formerly Mayfield, née Day) had a daughter by her first marriage to Robert Mayfield in Kent. She was Ellen Eliza Ann Mayfield, b. 1866. Do you know if she ended up in NZ as well?
This thread has become the repository of info about members of the Waimate Bowles/Day families, and I'm delighted that you have happened along too!
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Koromo
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Census information is Crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk________________________________________________________________ Lewis: Abergavenny | London | NZ | Chilliwack, BC Stallworthy: Bucks | Samoa | NZ | Canada Brothers: Nottingham | Salford | NZ Gronous: Kington | London Darling: Dunbar | Samoa Keat: Cornwall | NZ Bowles: Deal | NZ Coaney: Bucks Jones: Brecon |
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Carole25
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Hi Koromo,
Yes James Nind died on 28 Nov 1915 in Waimate, South Canterbury, NZ. He was born 3 Jun 1842 in Brackley, Northamptonshire son of Caleb Nind and Elizabeth Evans.
His first wife was Mary Ann Jeacock and they had three children: Elizabeth, Joseph and Sarah. Mary Ann died in Nov 1871 and the two girls died in 1864 and 1872.
Emma was the second wife and she and James married in 1874 just before they left for New Zealand with James's son Joseph. James' brother Joseph and wife and their niece Emma and her husband Daniel Averis (my great grandparents) all came out on the ship "Ballochmyle"".
Emma Nind died in Sep 1904 and James married Ellen Day formerly Blackmore on 10 Jul 1905 in Waimate. James was 63 and Ellen 57. She died on 2 Nov 1937. Ellen's former husband died in July 1901 according to the marriage certificate.
Unfortunately I do not know anything else about Ellen Day. Do you know when she came to New Zealand? Perhaps she brought her daughter with her.
If you could give me some details I may be able to do a bit of checking for you.
Regards Carole
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Averis, Averies All; Nind Brackley, Northants;
McLauchlan, Perthshire, Scot; North Canterbury, NZ;
Galletly, Perthshire, Scot; Gaudion, Alderney, Channel Islands; Dickinson Flookburgh, LAN, Witherslack, WES; Bland Flookburgh, LAN; Sloan, Kippford, KKD, Scot; Mills, Northampton, ENG
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Koromo
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Hello Carole
It's all rather confusing, but if you fight your way through the pages in this thread you'll probably know as much as I do about Helen/Ellen Day - that's if I've got it right and helped hugely by Bren and Stephanie and others!
In summary:
Four sisters, the daughters of William and Ann Day who lived (mainly) in Deal in Kent, all made it out to New Zealand probably on different ships.
The eldest, Ann Eliza Day, b. 1826, Canterbury, Kent, married Samuel Goldsmith in Lambeth. They came out to NZ supposedly on the Strathallan around 1859 and settled in Waimate. They didn't have any children of their own.
Elizabeth Day, b. 1828, Canterbury, Kent, married John Bowles in Deal. They came out on the ship Mystery with their two eldest children arriving Lyttelton March 1859. After her husband John died in 1867, she married William Manchester. Elizabeth is my gr-gr-grandmother, and her daughter Minnie (gr-grandmother) was 'adopted' by her sister Ann Eliza Goldsmith née Day!
Caroline Day, b. 1840, Deal, Kent, married Joseph Flanders in Kent. I don't know if they both came out, but in 1882 Caroline married Isaac Archer in NZ.
Helen/Ellen Day, b. 1848, Deal, Kent, married Robert Henry Morton Mayfield in Kent 1865. Their daughter was born 1866, who in 1871 was with her grandparents in Deal, while her mother Ellen was a servant/nurse in Rochester, Kent. Ellen is next seen in NZ marrying John Blackmore in 1889, and James Nind in 1905.
Her daughter Ellen Eliza Ann Mayfield probably did end up in NZ because she is left money in Samuel Goldsmith's will - it is possible that she had stayed in the UK although unlikely. I don't know when the will was written, I'm guessing quite a long time before his death in 1895.
Where is Ellen Nind buried? I thought she was the one in the Waimate Cemetery, dying in 1918 even though her age is quite wrong (a transcription error, I decided!  ). If she died in 1937, she had certainly outlived her sisters by a good few years.
Thanks for the info about James Nind. I do get a pleasure being able to put the right dates into my records, even for quite distant relatives.
Cheers
Koromo
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Carole25
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Hi Koromo,
I have been looking through my notes to see what I can find for you. Firstly to clarify the Ellen Nind who died in 1918. She is the wife of Joseph Nind, James' brother.
I have the date of your Ellen's death as 2 Nov 1937 but that may need to be checked. If correct it would make her a fair age.
James Nind worked at Messrs Manchester Bros & Goldsmith on arrival in Waimate in 1874. His wife Nellie was Mrs Goldsmiths sister and when James and Ellen married one of the witnesses was an AE Goldsmith. Ellen Blackmore's husband died on 24 July 1901.
The 1921 Wises directory lists a Mrs Ella Nind in Waimate.
I have found in the marriage indexes the following:
Ellen Elizabeth Ann Mayfied married 1887 to Joseph Henry GRAY. This looks like the daughter.
Cheers Carole
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Averis, Averies All; Nind Brackley, Northants;
McLauchlan, Perthshire, Scot; North Canterbury, NZ;
Galletly, Perthshire, Scot; Gaudion, Alderney, Channel Islands; Dickinson Flookburgh, LAN, Witherslack, WES; Bland Flookburgh, LAN; Sloan, Kippford, KKD, Scot; Mills, Northampton, ENG
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