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Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« on: Thursday 23 August 07 18:33 BST (UK) »

Hello everyone Smiley

I wonder if anyone knows if the Poor law records are available for Ash near Sandwich. I have looked on the IGI and couldnt see anything in their  films there

I have a Jane Ratcliff born 1834 who is the daughter of William Ratcliff but was brought up by a John Ratcliff and his wife Elizabeth in Ash. John is a weaver and William was a Carpenter. Jane was born in Ramsgate but baptised in Ash in April 1834 after her mother died in her childbirth in Ramsgate.  William disappears off the face of the earth at this stage Embarrassed 

I have tried to establish a link between John and William. I thought they must be brothers but although I have found Johns baptism in Ash in 1801 just after his parents marriage there is no brother William baptised there.

My final hope is that John may have claimed some sort of parish relief for Jane which may give an indication as to what happened to her father William

Does anyone know if there are any records which may be of help out there

Thank you
Jackie Cheesy
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Derbyshire: Hancock, Widdowson (Sheffield area)
Suffolk:Ratcliff ,Howlett, (Lowestoft area)
Kent:Ratcliff (Ramsgate area)
Norfolk: Stout, Fiske
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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 August 07 23:39 BST (UK) »

I have 1881 full census listing for Worth, Northbourne, Little Mongeham, Great Mongeham, Woodnesborough, Shoulden, Sandwich;( St Mary's, St Peter's, St Clements, St Bartholew's), Walmer, Deal, Ash next to Sandwich, Eastry and the Eastry Union Workhouse, where the locals were sent, although we had a poor/workhouse in Worth. The Inmates are listed on the Census for Worth.

Looking very quickly for Ratcliffs.. there seems to be a few listed on the Worth 1881 Census.

I don't have the time to sort through all this information, but willing to send you the whole lot (via email)

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Claire

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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 August 07 10:14 BST (UK) »

Hi Jackie

Try this site.....
www.visionofbritian.org.uk
It might contain something there.
Best wishes....  Iris Smiley
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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 August 07 17:41 BST (UK) »

Thank you very much Claire, but I know that by 1876 William had died as his son says so on his marriage certificate.

Thanks Iris, I will try the site you mention

Many thanks both of you
Jackie Wink
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Derbyshire: Hancock, Widdowson (Sheffield area)
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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 September 07 18:39 BST (UK) »

Hi
Ash parish retain their own parish archive in St Nicholas church
They have a database of information on anyone that appears in any of the parish documents.
The best way to contact the archivist is via their web site www.s8nicholas.org.uk then click on history then family history research.
Hope this is of help

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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 September 07 19:55 BST (UK) »

Thanks for that Max. I have in fact already been in contact with them but their data base does not show any details of any poor relief which may have been offered to the family.

I was wondering if the original records which must be depostited somewhere may assist.


Jackie Cheesy
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Devon: Hortop, Phillips, Palmer, (Lamerton area)
Derbyshire: Hancock, Widdowson (Sheffield area)
Suffolk:Ratcliff ,Howlett, (Lowestoft area)
Kent:Ratcliff (Ramsgate area)
Norfolk: Stout, Fiske
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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 September 07 20:01 BST (UK) »

Hi Jackie

All deposited records would be with Canterbury Cathedral Archives but, according to "East Kent Parishes" and what Max is saying, they have never handed any parish registers over and still have all the original records at the church.  I would assume that this would probably apply to any surviving parish chest material too.

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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 September 07 00:41 BST (UK) »

Thanks Casalguidi, I will try them again. So near yet so far Roll Eyes
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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 September 07 19:26 BST (UK) »

Hi
I can confirm Canterbury archives contains only a copy of the PR and a list of records that can be found at Ash church, The only other place to look for Ash information is CCA-U357 in Canterbury Archives this is the registers for Ash Congregational / United Reform Church
I seem to also remember that I  found a Wesleyan register that covered Ash as well as several other local villages, Alas I cannot remember  the village it was listed under!

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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 22 September 07 19:34 BST (UK) »

Thank you very much for that Max it is very helpful
Best wishes
Jackie Cheesy
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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 21 October 07 19:14 BST (UK) »

Hi Jackie
I came across the register that cover Ash Wesleyan Records they are M12/19/1/25 and are held at East Kent Archives
Did you know that Westmarsh although covered by Ash also had its own church  from 1861 to 1966 these records are in Canterbury archives

Hope this helps

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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 October 07 00:49 BST (UK) »

Thank you very much for that Max. I will go in search  Grin
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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 22 October 07 17:58 BST (UK) »

CCA has microfilm copies of the parish registers, as well as the original BTs, but any other records are likely to be with the Parish if they still exist.

E-mail addresses for the Vicar and Churchwardens can be found on the church website: http://www.s8nicholas.org.uk/

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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 27 October 07 01:52 BST (UK) »

Thanks Bill

I have been in touch with the Ash curator and he has confirmed that John started claiming parish relief the month after Jane arrived but nothing is said about the father.

So it looks like this is going to be one of those huge brickwalls Huh
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Re: Poor law records for Ash near Sandwich - Where can I find them please?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 January 08 08:44 GMT (UK) »

Hello Jackie

Try here for the Poor Records
http://www.kent.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/archives-and-local-history/archive-centres/east-kent-archives-centre.htm

This is the East Kent Archives Center, I found the Poor Relief Records for Folkestone here.

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