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jilbertm
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Hi trying to trace some relatives in 1800 and back further, have lots of names but i am stuck
I will start with My Gradfather Edgar Jilbert
F Richard Gilbert
M Eliza Jane Hosking
Mother of Richard Emily Jelbart B 1844 Penzance sister Mary Jlebart born 1842? St Hilary
Mother of Emily was Elizabeth Jelbart B 1804? ? St Hilary i think, i know now more if any one can help please do.
NEITHER ELIZABETH OR EMILY WERE MARRIED, NEITHER DID THEY RECORD THE FATHERS NAME.
Thanks Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
A big Welcome to RootsChat 
I can't spot a baptism for Emily but I did find a possible baptism for sister Mary in Penzance
1 May 1844 Mary Jane daughter of Elizabeth GILBERT (Spinster) of Union Workhouse from St Hillary illegitimate
http://west-penwith.org.uk/madbap11.htm
JELBERT Mary Jane born Mar 1/4 1842 Penzance 9 209
JELBART Emily born Sep 1/4 1844 Penzance 9 215
So it appears Mary Jane was baptised while Elizabeth was in the workhouse awaiting Emily's arrival, yet I can find no baptism for Emily in Penzance or St Hilary.
IGI list a possible baptism for mother Elizabeth (Also Illegitimate)
GILBERT Elizabeth baptised 21 Apr 1804 St Hilary mother Elizabeth
There is also a possible for her mother in the parish
GILBERT Elizabeth baptised 16 Oct 1774 St Hilary Parents Jacob and Eliz
GILBERT Jacob = BOADEN Elizabeth 25 Jul 1772 St Hilary
GILBARD Jacob buried 18 Aug 1813 St Hilary aged 66 Years
JILBERT Elizabeth buried 4 Jan 1820 St Hillary aged 70 years
GILBERT Jacob baptised 1 Jan 1748 St Hilary Parents Jacob and Anne
GILBERT Jacob = BANT Anne 20 Apr 1747 St Hilary
These are all extracted entries. Hope it helps...........Cheers Kris
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jilbertm
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Hi there ,
Thanks for the help, i have seen the entry re Jacob and Elizabeth hoewver I can not prove whether this is Elizabeth parents, I am finding this very difficult to do.
Any ideas.
Regards
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Once we get back this far absolute proof can often be impossible. If the family leave Wills this can of course be very helpful, alas not everybody left wills. In a lot of cases all we can conclude, based on any recorded ages and parishes where they resided is that this person was "most likely the child of ........"
In this case I see Mary Jane's birth is recorded as JILBERT yet her baptism is GILBERT. All the earlier records in St Hilary seem to list GILBERT so I think this is a pretty good indication it is the same family..............Cheers Kris
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Hi 
I think I have just found your family in 1851 under the name SELBART ..on original it is definitely Jelbart.
1851:
Madron Penzance, Cornwall
Heddy ? Betty's lane
Elizabeth JELBART head unm 46 Lodging House keeper b St Hilary
James MAJOR lodger unm 26 Hairdresser b Gulval
Jane RICHARDS lodger unm 30 b Penzance
Margaret ELLIS lodger unm 22 b Gulval
MARY JANE JELBERT dau 7 b Penzance
EMILY JELBERT dau 6 scholar b Penzance
Jane RICHARDS dau of Jane Richards 1 b Penzance
1 door away on same street
Charlote RICHARDS head wid 44 Matmaker b Somerset Bath
Louisa dau unm 21 mat maker b Som. Bath
JOHN GILBERT Lodger mar 60 sailmaker b London
Mary GILBERT " mar 64 b London
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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jilbertm
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Oh great thank you this is a big help 
maggie
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Hi maggie
i can't seem to find Elizabeth (b c 1804) on the 1841 census .... I wonder if she was in the Union workhouse at that time .....
Do you have all of her census and her children's census info ? If not let me know ...
I will keep looking in the 1841 ....
deb
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Hi THIS WHAT I HAVE
1851 Where you found her
1861 no as i think she died in 1859, i saw this somewhere and i can not find it again now.
Emily her daughter my ggg Gran was living at 37 Leskinick Terrace a servant for Edgecombe aged 18
Mary Jane was 2 Market Place for Francis Vibert aged 19
1871 Emily Union Workhouse aged 24 with Richard My GG Grandfather aged 2 and Frederick his brother aged 7mths
1881 19 Quay Street living with Willaim Edwards ??
Emily, Richard,Frederick,James Mary Jane, and Elizabeth Ann
1891 Emily, Richard,James,Elizabeth,Edward 6 Green Street
1891 Frederick married Martha at Madron Church Town
1901 15 Back Marine Terrace Emily and Edward
1901 16 Back Marine Teraace My GG Grandad Richard, Eliza Ann his Wife, Annie May Mary Hilda Bertha and Eliza Jane
1901 Frederick, who is Richards brother , Martha, Emily J , Frederick J , EDWARD J, Thomas H, and Percy living at 8 Custom House
1901 James Richard other brother living at Fradgen with Sarah and Son John
Emily dies in 1919 this i found and verified.
Now i have a nice little line up only a few issues left
Elizabeth 1841 ?
Elizabeth's Death ? 1859
Elizabeth's Parents from St Hilary ? Jacob and Elizabeth
I am not sure who i am yet, sounds odd but Emily and Elizabeth Never married so Elizabeth's parents are a crucial part here.
I would like to know what happened to Emily children, I know Elizabeth Ann or Mary Jane can not recall for sure at present her daughters one died of measles and bronchitis certified by Dr Cromwell, Bronte sisters uncle wow. I will need to check the certificate.
Edward i can not find any where so not sure what has happened with him.
I am happy with what i have found so far but as much info as possible gratefully received, it has taken me seven years to get this far.
Very best wishes
Maggie
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Maggie
I am glad that you have what you have , I will endeavour to find some more links .....
It is such a pity that Emily did not give her children names (middle names) that may have connected them to someone in the neighbourhood !  
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Hi Maggie
Still no luck with Elizabeth in 1841...I scrolled through all Elizabeth 's born 1804-1806 in Cornwall...Cannot see any mistranscriptions like I found in 1851 , when they were SELBART.
It must be awful not knowing the father's names ... I have that on both sides but can follow through or should I say, muddle through their ancestors 
I will keep on looking...
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
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palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Hi Maggie
i have been looking for edward who was last seen in 1901 with his mum, Emily . I see you have him as Edward J ...
i wonder if this is his medal card ...
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Online Document WO 372/10
Medal Card of Jilbert Edward J , Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry 3/5168 Private Royal Army Service Corps EMT/55076 Private
Date range: 1914 - 1920.
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middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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are these connected?
Thomas Gilbert p.o.b & y.o.b unknown ( i have not researched these areas yet as Holman is my direct line)) m. Elizabeth Holman in Kenwyn in 1811, they had a daughter Elizabeth Gilbert bapt. 26.06.1816 Kenwyn & a son William Brewer Gilbert bapt. 20.09.1818 Kenwyn
The Brewer in Williams name comes from Elizabeths mother, Lucy Brewer who m. William Holman on 09.07.1789 at Kenwyn, by licence, their first child was bapt. 2 days later.
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Hi Deb,
It may be Edwards Card, how did you find that? Can i find a way of proving this against his birth i wonder.? It is only a hunch hat Elizabeth was born in 1806, just taking the age from the census gave me the date.
Thanks for your help, you must be agood at what you do 
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Hi Toni,
Im not sur eif this is the Elizabeth im looking for , she was definatly born in St Hilary, this is state din the census and on her daughters birth ertificate, i would need to investigate this further
Thanks Maggie
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Hi Maggie
If you go to this link:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
then go to the search area... I put in "Jilbart, Cornwall"... I also tried all different variations ..... several medal cards came up
you can order the document online ...it comes almost immediately .
On the medal card ..it will give DOB, POB and theatre of war ... also the medals he received.
have fun searching ....
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
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palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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