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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 17:14 BST (UK) »
Officially going mad Hannah Bayliss was born in Broughton not Braunston and that is where mum's NEEDLES and MORBY's are from . Ricky I'm glad you are ther to ask such logical questions I'm getting a bit confused its good to have some one able to stand back and see the overall picture thank you for your support
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 17:22 BST (UK) »
OOOH I've just found I have already recorded Francis BAYLIS' family and she had a brother in the right place and time to be Hannah's father so that completes circle 1 and answers quest 2  Now lets get back to the pub mystery
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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 17:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Trees

if it wernt me, it  would be someone else, we can only go by what's on the census sheets, and sometimes they take some working out Cheesy Cheesy, but thats part of the fun Cheesy

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« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 17:57 BST (UK) »
Bath Street is more or less the same as years ago but Bury Street is the shopping precinct now with only a small road entrance. As for Bury Lane i havent heard of it. Its very possible that there was 2 Crown pubs here  Trees as Abingdon had a lot of pubs years ago. Has Williams children stayed in Abingdon all did they scatter as there are a few men named Young who was on the roll of honour list for Abingdon. Just a thought.

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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 18:13 BST (UK) »
1871 on Bury Lane

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 18:13 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 18:21 BST (UK) »
Good question Sue I have started this trail with John Young keeping the Bell at H.P. and worked back getting more and more engossed with these butcher Publicans worth a look though.
Thanks for posting the image ricky.
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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 18:24 BST (UK) »
hi Trees

your welcome, it was begining to get to me so thought I would post the images Grin Grin

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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 19:09 BST (UK) »
A lot of streets, lanes etc changed name in the 1870s. The first good national street mapping (the first 25 inch OS series) was being surveyed and published at this time and local councils were faced with giving permament names to lanes that previously changed names at the whim of the public.

In Newbury there were a lot of houses in courts and yards off the main streets - often known by the name of the owner and changing with the ownership - many got quite grand names despite being nothing more than slums.
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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 28 August 07 19:12 BST (UK) »
Now that is interesting and explains a situation I found in Wantage too many thanks.
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 14:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Trees,
            I've got an old map of Abingdon c1910, by then Bury Lane was called Bury St, but on the corner where Bury St turns into Bath St there was a pub, probably only 30 metres or so from the Black Swan, sadly this map dosen't give the name of the pub, but it does seem to fit in with what you've said about it, sadly Bury St was turned into a shopping precinct some years ago and the pub is long gone.
Hope this helps.
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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 16:43 BST (UK) »
Well done detective Stuart that is very helpful  I think I'll ask if there are any photographs in the Oxford photo archieve you never know  might be lucky I'll also try old maps on line then if I don't get a photo I'll havesomething pictorial to break the writng up Many thanks for pin pointing the premises Is your map i copyrigt? If not would you be able to scan the section showing the two pubs? sorry if I'm being too cheeky  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 19:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Trees
Looks like your slowly getting there with these pubs Grin Grin Grin

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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 20:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Rick,
Yes but its getting more coplicated by the minute . I have now found that a William and Susanna BAYLIS kept the Twistledon Arms in Broughton which is where alot of my Morbys were from (I managed to visit neighbouring Tadmarton earlier this year). Any way  This William was the son of Thomas Baylis and Nancy Morby
The Landlord before William Baylis was an Edward MOORBY (as yet not linked in) Edward's daughter married James BUSBY who was murdered in the Twistledon Arms and two witnesses mention William and Mrs BAYLIS as Keeping the Inn ( William was dead at the time of the murder) )Thomas Baylis must be about 1750 so how did he relate to the John Baylis we sorted last night as father of Frances (m William Young the father of the 3 YOUNG inn keepers) ANd How does Nancy Morby relate to Edward the older Broughton Inn keeper?
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« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 20:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Trees

will see you later when you get it sorted, me Im doing a runner Grin Grin Grin
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