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Syb
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Does anyone have access to Parish Records for the Church of England in the Upwell/Wisbech or parishes close by?
I am trying to locate the birth of Samuel BERRY who was born about 1745-69. There would be possibly other siblings: William, John who would be born around the same time. Samuel was married in Upwell in 1785 and I believe also died in Upwell.
Can anyone come to my rescue? 
Syb
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ricky1
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Hi Syb
the parish records for Wisbech, I think are in the museum, they used to be in the the library I can find out tomorrow if I have time. If there in the Museum, then they charge £5 per hour to look. So if you dont know the exact dates you could be there for a while. The other way is to get in touch with the records office at Cambridge and see if they are there. All you have to do is join for free and book a time to go there.
another way out you could try this website and perhaps Ken who runs it can find the info as he is a member of the Fenland History Socitey.
http://wisbech.14.forumer.com/index.php
or you could have look at this website
http://contueor.com/wisbech/
regards
ricky
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Cambs FHS has an excellent website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
which includes a burial index showing a Samuel Berry age 66 buried at Upwell in 1826
Just to complicate matters a large part of Upwell was in Norfolk - see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CAM/TownsandParishes.html
for details of where the parish registers are housed
David
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Syb
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David:
Thanks for the info. The problem with burial records, they don't seem to indicate much information - ie. parents etc. I had a paid volunteer check out Upwell and Wisbech St. Peter and Wisbech St. Augustines and Outwell , with no luck.
So I am assuming Samuel may have been born some where other than these places. There are alot of parishes close by and he could have been born in anyone of them. It's like looking for a needle in a hay stack, but people in those days didn't seem to travel any great distances so it should make it easier one might think.
Thanks again, David.
Syb
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Hi Syb
You would be surprised how far people travelled in them days, so I wouldnt take it for granted that they were born local.
I have ancester born in Wisbech in 1805 and on the 1851 he is in Lincoln, which is good 60 miles from here in Wisbech 
ricky
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Syb
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Ricky:
Another factor which makes seaching for relatives difficult seems to be that "Berry" seems to be a very popular surname. It also appears that families only had about four names which they named their children - was either John, Thomas, Joseph or William and very few had second names.
Thanks again for your help.
Syb
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ricky1
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Hi Syb
will see what I can find out at the museum during the week
ricky
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Thanks, Ricky - Good luck! 
Syb
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What does the 1785 marriage give as his parish of residence? Do the names of the witnesses provide a clue?
It always helps to give as much information as possible when requesting a look up, particularly if some parishes have already been checked
David
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Hello David:
Thank you for your reply. I will quote what the marriage registration indicated:
This is taken from the Diocese of Norwich, Norfolk:
"Samuel Berry, Batchelor & Elizabeth Tombleson, Spinster, both of this Parish were married by Banns in Upwell Church the Twenty-Fifth day of October in the Year of Our Lord 1785 by me Wm Robinson. Witnesses - John Berry & John Tyers."
In the burial register there is an entry in 1826 for a Samuel Berry, Upwell, buried September 21, Aged 66. I would assume that this is the same Samuel as he raised his children there: Samuel Tombleson Berry, Joseph Tombleson Berry and Samuel Berry - there maybe others but I don't have any records.
There is also a burial record of Elizabeth Berry, wife of Samuel Berry, who died June 15, 1793 in Upwell. Samuel remarried Lydia Denston December 17, 1793. Lydia died in 1822, aged 70 - abode New Cross, Parish was Wisbech, St. Peter.
There also appears to be a William Berry around at much the same time as Samuel as both Samuel and William Berry were witnesses to a marriage of Adah Berry, spinster, to William James, widr. of Fenstanton Hunts. No further information seems to be available.
It is possible that John, William and possible Adah were siblings to Samuel.
Hope this is of some help.
Syb
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As they seem to have been farmers and perhaps owned property, have you tried Cambridge and Norfolk Record Offices to see if they hold any wills for Berry of Upwell?
David
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Hello David:
No, I haven't seriously looked for wills but will do so. Thanks for your assistance and direction.
Syb
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Is there any evidence of non-conformity in the family - eg were Samuel and Elizabeth's three children and their grandchildren baptised in the established church?
The tree on Rootsweb doesn't have baptism dates which always worries me - I've had contact with the owner of that tree concerning our common Boud names and found her to be very thorough.
David
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Syb
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Hello David:
I am not sure about the non-conformity issue. I don't have alot of the baptisms either but anything I have found be it a marriage or baptism, it has been the Church of England.
One thing I might mention here is that originally the Berrys came from France and apparently changed their name from Dubarry (sp) to Berry. I don't know when they came or why or where they lived in France. They may have been Huguenots from France. I believe there are Berrys who are listed in the Quarto Series - Huguenot Society but todate, haven't done too much research regarding that as most of the Huguenots were silkweavers, etc. not farmers. However, they may have been involved in draining of the Fens and decided to live there and become farmers. Who knows?? 
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Hi Syb,
Even though people were non-conformist they still had to marry in the established church if they wanted a legal marriage, unless they were Jews or Quakers who were authorised pre 1837 to conduct their own marriages.
With non-conformist families sometimes the only way to piece them together is via marriage and burial entries. I don't have access to Upwell burials pre 1800, but it would be interesting to see if there any Berry burials before 1800 other than that of Elizabeth - if there were none it would imply that the family arrived from somewhere else, with the parents of Samuel and his assumed siblings either having died or staying in their original parish of residence. If there were any other adults there's a fair chance they could be Samuel's parents. I think that burial records are underestimated - whilst they don't name parents etc I find them invaluable.
Playing devil's advocate, if you can't trace their baptisms, and don't know where they were from, how can you know that they were originally Dubarry, rather than indigenous Berry stock!!!
David
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