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ab9
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I have failed to find a birth record for Louisa Brown daughter of Robert & Sarah Brown. Robert was a framesmith born in 1845 Hathern Leics and Sarah a cotton doubler b in 1845 Crich Derbys. I can find no marriage for them in Notts unless it is 16/10 /1864, Robert Brown coachmaker Melbourne St & Sarah Ann Pillatt Chaucer St. but this could be in another county.
All census records show Louisa's place of birth as Nottingham, she was 2 in 1871 & 12 in 1881, subsequently marrying to become Smith.
In 1871 the family were living at 39 Virginia St. St Mary, Nottingham so I have tried Ancestry, FBMD, IGI and parish marriage records for St Mary Nottingham fische nos 260-264 1869 to no avail.
I do not know which other church is local to St Mary, nor whether they are non conformist.
Can any one please suggest another option or help ?
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ab9
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Hi Meliora,
I need to consult my notes again about the birth you have noted (could be correct as people were not always sure of the age). The Sarah born in Crich looks interesting and worth chasing up. 
Many thanks for the info - what nightmare trying to prove links with "common" surnames and this family of Browns move to Smith, as already mentioned, but I've also just found a marriage to Jones as well !
Fortunately the other lines of my family are much less common and I've got on really well with all the others. 
The Brown / Smith line is my Mum's and I'd really like to crack this one 
Regards, AB9
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Meliora
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Hello, ab9,
I have been doing some checking for Sarah Ann Pillatt, who married Robert Brown, coachmaker,1864 & found her in the 1861 census as a domestic servant, born Notts, so this may not be the marriage you are looking for.
1861 census
RG9/2468 folio 49 page 4
8, Gt Freeman St., St Mary, Notts,
William Leeson age 59 income from rents of houses b Ireland
Susan wife age 71 b Notts
Sarah Ann Pillatt age 17 Dom Servant b Notts.
1851 census
HO107/2130 folio 191 page 18
Elder St., Sneinton, Notts.
William PILLETT age 42 Tailor b Notts
Susan,, wife age 35 b ditto
Maria dau age 10 b ditto
Sarah Ann age 7 b ditto
Elizabeth age 2 b Sneinton
William age 4 mts b ditto.
Looking at the occupations for Robert Brown, the one married in 1864 was a coachmaker, & the one you say is Louisa's father is a framesmith, I think these two occupation are quite different, altho' coachmaking does mean some metal work, it also means coachbuilding, the actual making of the coach body. A framesmith is connected to the warp frame knitting machines, a speciality of Leics., this ties in with the occupation of Sarah, born in Crich, as cotton lace was produced on these m/cs.
I have found another Sarah born c 1845 Crich in the 1861 census, who worked in a cotton factory, Sarah Mather. If you would like the details I can send them to you.
I have found Robert in the 1861 census, in Loughorough, Leics.,do you have the details ? If not, I can send you a transcription. In this census it says he was born in Loughborough, Hathern is just outside Loughboro', quite close to the border with Derbyshire.
Meliora
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ab9
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Hello Meliora,
Many thanks for the info, once I saw the copy of the Sarah Pillatt / Robert Brown marriage certificate I considered this most unlikely and now that you have checked her & made comments about his job similar to my own thoughts I am sure you have confirmed that suspicion.
I am sure we can safely discount that marriage.
I feel that the Southwell marriage you found is too far away from either family (so it probably the right one !) but I still do not know for sure in which County the marriage took place, just that in 1871 Robert & Sarah are in Nottingham and that Louisa was apparantly born there.
The details of Sarah Mather do interest me, so, please if you have the opportunity do send them.
I already have been able to track Robert, who is my 2nd great grandfather, back to his father in Hathern (as I am local to Nottinghamshire I know the villages around the airport - shame they are sometimes Leics, Derby or even Notts !).
Many thanks for the offer of the details but I do not need those.
On the birth of Louisa, perhaps you have the right one in 1867, I'm not sure. Louisa was shown as aged 19 Oct 8th 1887 when she married (I have this certificate) which could make it 1868. Tricky..... 
My notes etc are at home so I'll double check later.
Many thanks for your efforts, I have had nothing but trouble with the Browns, Smiths and Hughes' who are the main lines in Mum's family, if I could crack this problem I'm sure the others fall into place.
Best regards, AB9
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ab9
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Hi Meliora
Great stuff !
Good point about the marriage ages, I've seen some wierd ones, on this occasion both are aged 19, so probably are.
I may plump for the certificate and appreciate your point about the parents names - I've had some failures and, I expect like everyone, spent money on wild guesses.
Some checking to do in Crich now, although still wondering where they married.
Will let you know what transpires, do keep your fingers crossed
Many thanks again
AB9 
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Me again Meliore
I am sure I have disproved the Southall marriage as well now.
I believe that Robert Brown was born in Tuxton and married Sarah Lawson b Carlton (or Little Carlton) June 1863, they had a daughter Louisa A registered Southwell Jun 1866.
Sarah has no occupation in 1861.
In 1871 the family census record is in the Southwell area, ages, places of birth etc are consistent with 1861.
I have also eliminated most of the Louisa Brown birth records leaving two potential 1871 census records against one birth record. Sadly, one of them is mine but both of them are located in Nottingham St Mary. looks like the certificate is a must.
I am sure I need to try a neighbouring county to find the marriage now with my latest theory being that Sarah Mather (as identified by yourself) looks the most promising - she may have married a Robert Bruce (typed marriage list - could this be Brown?) in Belper Mar 1867 but then disappears. No census record for Sarah Bruce in 1871, no death record for either of them. Of course they may have left the country - but I may plump for this one as well.
Once again many thanks for your help.
Best regards AB9
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