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Cockermouth Businesses
« on: Wednesday 29 August 07 20:11 BST (UK) »

Hello All,

My Robinson ascendents apparently owned a tailor's/outfitter's shop and also a cabinet maker's/undertaker's business in Cockermouth. This would be probably been around the 1860s. Has anyone heard of either of these two businesses or knows anything about them?

Thanks in advance,

Gillian
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Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
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Slynn: Birmingham
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 19:45 BST (UK) »

It's late and I'm old so you'll have to excuse the rambling but if you try www.historicaldirectories.org or something very similar I think it is Leicester University has digitised all the Kelly's and similar for the whole country.
The site is not easy to navigate but take your time and you will find every business in Cockermouth around the time your looking at.
I have found that one gets too much information on surnames but you should get lucky with the businesses
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 20:32 BST (UK) »

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your reply. I did try historical directories and did find Palmer Robinson Cabinet maker/undertaker, however, no tailor's shop. I have a picture. I'll try and post it tomorrow.

When I ask the family one or two have vaguely heard of the two businesses. I would like to try and find out more about them.

Gillian
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 07:50 BST (UK) »

Here is a photo of Robinson's shop Cockermouth. Does anyone know anything about it?

Can anyone give the photo an approx date?

Thanks,

Gillian

* Robinsons_shop_Cockermouth.tif (296.06 KB - downloaded 48 times.)
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 20:53 BST (UK) »

Hi again,
it's even later and I'm even older but that photo looks to be 30's and the directories site seems to stop in 1910. I've checked the cumberland news site (cumberland-news.com) as they claim to have an old photo archive. It seems to go back to the 2005 floods or I'm doing something wrong.
Being old and decrepit I had missed your reference to 1860's so i looked back myself - I did say it wasn't an easy site.
1858 Kelly's Robinson, Tailor, Main St
1858 Kelly's Robinson, Draper, 11 Market place
1873 Kelly's Robinson, Linen and woolen draper, 11 market place (gone up in the world)
Can't help with first names but a search of the 1861 and 1871  census by address might pull you something up
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 21:14 BST (UK) »

Hi Bob,

Thanks for looking in the directories. Not an easy job! Yes I could lookup addresses on the census. I reckon the shop was in Main Street. I'll see what I can find.

Gillian
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 23:00 BST (UK) »

In case we are both wrong, I am contacting an 80 year old relative life long relative to see if it is a 1930 photo.
Unlike us 60 year olds the 80's aren't wired up so it may take a day or two.
Any longer than that and we are into a seance as i haven't spoken to him in a while.
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 September 07 09:45 BST (UK) »

Thanks Bob
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 16:42 BST (UK) »

A few other clues in picture that may help:

They sold Cumberland Tweeds and had a sign ourtside which seems to read as 'Castlebank Dyeworks' (mind you, these dyeworks seem to have been in Scotland, so probably just highlighting fact that they sold their products).


Interestingly, in a far earlier timescale of 1811, there was a Robinson who was a  grocer & woollen-manufacturer. Maybe this shop was a development of that down the generations.
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 26 September 07 15:23 BST (UK) »

I think we must be on for that seance. Nothing from elderly relative. Sorry
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 27 September 07 12:02 BST (UK) »

Hello All,

Thanks for your replies.

I know that my Robinsons were also undertakers and cabinet makers in Cockermouth. Don't know about woollen manufacturers and grocers.

Gillian
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 29 September 07 14:18 BST (UK) »

Hi Gillian

I hope I get this right.  It's my first post.

I've been in the Local Studies Library in Carlisle this morning and I looked in a couple of old Trade Directories.  I didn't have long, so there may be others and I will look again either there or in the Archives.

It looks as if the Robinsons were busy people!

I found:

  Robinson P & Co,

builders, contractors, cabinet makers, house furnishers, painters & decorators & undertakers,

The Mayo Furnishing Warehouse, 64 Main Street, Cockermouth.

Also

  Robinson, Rt & Thos Tanners (sheepskin), St Helens tannery

  Eobinson, Ada Jane (Mrs), game dealer, Market Place.

  Robinson Isaac , grazier, Croft Terrace

   Robinson, William, agriculturaal implement manufacturer, South Street.

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Then in Kelly's Cumberland and Westmorland 1925 I found:

Robinson P & Co, 
Joiners, funeral furnishers, cabinet makers, house furnishers, painters, decorators

and undertakers,

The Mayo Warehouse, 64 Main Street, Cockermouth.

T N 32.

Also
Robinson, Isaac, grazier, 5 Croft Terrace.

Robinson, John, Horse slaughterer, St Helen's Street

Robinson Wm, Agrictl impl mfr South St T N 79.


I think that means he had a telephone by 1925, too.

I don't know if the others are yours, but no doubt you will.

Position:

I looked at the number for a shop I know and it is odd.  Yours is even, so it is on the same side of the street as the river part way down.

Also, if you let your eyes focusm the right way, on your photograoh, you can see the reflection in the window, which shows trees and country and also, a substantial looking building, so it's a position where you could see beyond the street.

Between the locals and my next visit, I will work it out and try and get a modern photo.

I hope this is useful.  I love looking at local old buisinesses anyway.

Best wishes.

Emms.

Sorry it's quite long with no formatting, but I haven't sorted that out yet!
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 30 September 07 20:15 BST (UK) »

Hi Emms,

Thanks very much for having a look in the directory. Palmer Robinson the joiner/undertaker is definately mine. I'm not too sure about the others. Robinson is a common name so the others may be no connection.

I have looked at the directories that are online at historicaldirectories but could never sees any Robinson tailors later than 1873.

Thanks again,

Gillian
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 30 September 07 21:10 BST (UK) »

I have looked at the directories that are online at historicaldirectories but could never sees any Robinson tailors later than 1873.

Looking at the 1881 census, there is a John ROBINSON (17) Apprentice Tailor - his father was John (42) Millwright.

Also Richard (56) Draper, Lorton in Market Place

and Robert William (31) Mercer and Draper, Cockermouth, husband of Amelia at Cocker Bridge

and Thomas C (30, unm) Draper, nephew of Frances, retired milliner, St Helens St

Approx 125 ROBINSONs in Cockermouth.

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Re: Cockermouth Businesses
« Reply #14 on: Monday 01 October 07 07:20 BST (UK) »

Hi Geoff,

I have found my Robinsons in the 1881 census:

Mary ROBINSON   Head   W   Female   42   Cockermouth   Domestic Servt     
William John ROBINSON   Son   U   Male   18   Cockermouth   Tailor     
Thomas ROBINSON   Son   U   Male   16   Cockermouth   Tailor     
Hannah ROBINSON   Daur   U   Female   14   Cockermouth   Domestic Servt     
Frederic ROBINSON   Son   U   Male   3   Cockermouth       
Ada ROBINSON   Daur   U   Female   1   Cockermouth     

They were living Cocker Landing, Cockermouth. John Robinson the father was also a tailor before he died. I don't why they weren't living in Main Street/Market Place above the shop. Also there is a bit of a mystery about the mother Mary Robinson as she was also a widow in 1871 but two children were born 1878 and 1880!! She is still listed as a widow in 1881 so I don't supposed she remarried another Robinson!!!

In 1871, 1891 and 1901 the family were living Main Street Cockermouth.

Gillian
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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