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Hi Gillian
Thanks for the extra interest. I love the books of old photo's.
I didn't really tell you about the archives and marriages or lack of them. For such a large company, they were quite invisible!
I looked at marriages in All Saints and Christ Church., but they weren't there! I looked at Cockermouth Methodists, no joy. The others I was going to look at had gaps or we don't have the register. We don't have the RC ones for Cockermouth yet. I would love to see those.
I'll look at the paper in the next couple of days.
Enjoy your day!
Emms
Of course there's always the register office we can't see.
And of course, Cockermouth registration district is HUGE! It could be Dearham, Bridekirk, you name it!!
So I looked for a clue elsewhere. I'm hoping they will have reports in the paper in the library which I'll be in soon.
No burial either, but no Cockermouth cemetery or Christ Church burials available at these dates. Paper:
No will. I wonder if they did keep it all in the family.
Do you know Palmer Robinson the younger? Or Robinson Court?I did see while looking for a friend's family:
1909
8th August/ John Moffat/ (to)Palmer and Annie / Robinson/ Robinson Court/ Cabinet maker/
They both feature again! Did they get involved in building as well? Was this the yard behind the shop?
I looked at a couple of electoral registers.
Elec. Reg. had All Cockermouth.
1906-1910
Owner voter Robinson Joseph, (Abode) Robinson's Court, Main St, VCockermouth// (Owned) Leasehold dwelling house (Description) Dwelling house in occupation of Miss Harrison.
Robinson Mary , Cocker Bridge, Dwelling House at Cocker Bridge
,, Ada Mary, Old Hall Inn, owned jointly a dwelling house at Old Hall Inn.
Lodgers
Robinson, Palmer jnr, lodged in a Bed & sitting room unfurnished , at Robinson's Court Main Street, for 5s6d per week, from Joseph Robinson of Robinson's Court.
Robinson John, ,, ,,, a bedroom, on the first floor, furnished, at St Helen's Tannery 11s? 1s? p wk from Robert Robinson of St Helen's Tannery.
But also, in 1906/7 only, Robinson, Palmer dwelt in and owned a dwelling house at Fern Bank.
I wonder if Palmer jnr was an oldest son/ grandson who was named after the first one and took the business on? Fern Bank is out of the centre and off the main Road towards the Sheep and Wool Centre and Keswick. I wonder if he built a home up there in his retirement, or even if there were younger non voters over there too?
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Hi Gillian
Thanks for the extra info. Only a few minutes in the library today, so I didn't come up with any marriages - but I may have another clue. I did look at Cockermouth Methodist Circuit register and I thought there should be more marriages.
I've just been playing - all of five minutes and you may know about this, I came up with the area Methodist site - link below if I can make it work - Early Cockermouth Chapel, provided by Cooper George Robinson, on Lorton Street, the direction Palmer moved to Fern Bank. Also other reference, at least one, to Robinsons.
Reading the blurb, I think I should look at Workington Circuit, and Cockermouth and Keswick circuit, too. I'll have a go!
If you follow the link it should be the home page - try the links to Cockermouth etc and then on to history - maybe you've seen it already!
One newspaper result,: Cumberland Pacquet, 3 January, 1909.
Robinson, Palmer, Death:
On the 1st inst. at 1, Fern Bank, Cockermouth, Palmer Robinson, aged 70 years.
If it was number one, I wonder if he built it!?!
I'll keep you posted.
http://www.kcmethodists.org.uk/index.htm
Best wishes.
Emms.
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Hi Gillian
Remember those photo's that I thought hadn't come out, well next time I downloaded I found them! Goodness knows why, but they were there.
This is the building that I got to when I counted the right number along from the next door with a number. (The blue one with a double front.)
It's the right size and shape for the one in the book although the front has changed.
It may also not appear if I haven't mastered the software right!
We will see!
Emms.
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Whoops!
Slghitly too big!
I'm working on it!
Emms
PS Still a bit big, but I give up for tonight! At least you can see it! I'll work on this before I start on Mayo!!
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Hi Gillian and All
Hopefully below we will have Mayo in all his glory - you can see why he would have been vulnerable before therte were planters, and white lines to protect him - and also Mayo in front of the shop.
There's a bit of an optical illusion because he looks to be left of the blue shop. In fact it's because of where I was standing. He's right opposite.
By the way, this was a quiet Sunday morning since the bypass was builI hope it works and doesn't go pearshaped!!
Best wishes to all.
Emms.!
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Hi
Here's Mayo looking up the street!
I'll have the hang of this by the time I'm finished!!!
Emms
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Hi Gillian
You're welcome. I must go down and have a good look around some time soon.
I'll let you know when Ive been to the record office.
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi Gillian
Emms again! It was gorgeous but cold here today, and I managed to get up to the archives.
I went to look for Methodist marriages, only to discover that there were none in our archives as early as you need.. We always seem to find your family by a roundabout way though! So I tried another tack.
I looked to see if Frederick or Ada had their children baptised there - and they didn't - not on the Wesleyan circuit anyway. However, glancing back it became clear that there definitely were links to this church in your family at an earlier date - There are:-
Children of John and Margaret Robinson of Cockermouth (1860's and 1870's)
Children of Joseph and Elizabeth Robinson of Cockermouth, (1860's - 70's including Palmer 1864)
Children of John William & Catherine Robinson (1880's - 1890's, including Palmer, 1898). and a few others.
Definite links to your family, but not the two we'd like.
As for the marriages, well, Cockermouth registration district if huge. They could have been in Keswick, Workington, or a myriad of tiny villages in between, C of E or Methodist, or the Register office!
I'll keep an eye out - they may be on an electoral register married and that may give a clue where they are, and I'll look at baptisms in the Primitive Methodists.
It may be worth sending for one of the certificates, but on the other hand therare still some problems with the post, and we'relead to believe a backlog after "Who do You Think You Are?".
I don't know which are the most important link s for you. It's up to you, Gillian. I'm happy to keep looking and I resent giving them £7 to sit and wait, but there's always the niggling feeling about the register office!
Over to you! I'm enjoying the hunt either way!
Seriously if I think of anything and I get chance I'll try it, and if you've any requests let me know!
Oh, I nearly forgot! The link! I couldn't find a will in our index, (on loose papers), but I looked in the national wills calender today, and Palmer Robinson who died 1909 did leave a will, proven in Carlisle,.
Palmer Robinson, died Fern Bank, Cockermouth,Cumberland, builder, Probate Carlisle, 17 September to John William Robinson builder and Ann Robinson spinster.
John William is father of the next Palmer Robinson in the Methodist Circuit register!
I will look right through the (quite large) section of Robinsons and find the film of the original. I'll let you know if there is much more information, Gillian. Not sure when. Transport's a problem, but I'll be back!!
Good luck with the search!
Emms.
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Hi Gillian
Thank you for the kind comments, though I am enjoying it too! I did get a quick look in yesterday and saw the will. No huge surprises, but no major family list either! As you said John William one benefice and executor was his nephew.
The other, I thought might have been a misprint for Robinson, but in fact it was his housekeeper, Annie Robson.,,,,,, !in case she shall be living with me at my decease",----she was left all his household effects including furniture and prints, and also all hie jewelery and personal ornaments, and £200.
He left his niece Mary Ethel Robinson Fifty pounds and the rest after costs to the nephew, John William.
There is another will of another Palmer Robinson of Main Street in 1924. It was very short and just left everything to his wife Elizabeth.
Interestingly, after what you said about the nineties, an elderly person I saw yesterday used to live in Cockermouth, and she remembered them using Robinsons' decorators from the business in Main Street in the seventies and it was a couple of doors from the Central Cafe.
I'm glad the baptisms were of interest. I'll list them for you when I get time.
I can't wait to hear how you get on with the certificates!
Good Luck!
Emms!
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Hi Gillian.
I hope this finds you well.
These are the entries from the Cockermouth and Keswick Wesleyan Methodist circuit I promised you a few days ago.
They may not all be relevant but now I've started I may as well just put them all down.
1857
Dec 30 Jonathan Lawson/ William & Betty Elliott/ Cockermouth/ One month/ William Parker
1858
Feb 13/ Margaret Hannah daughter of/ John and Jane/ Robinson/ Cockermouth/ Born Nov 30th 1857
1861
April 7th/ John son of/ John & Sarah/ Robinson/ Keswick/ Born Dec 31st 1860/ Jabez Ingham
1863
August 23rd/ Frederick son of/ ,, ,, / ,, / ,, / ,, June 7th 1863
1864
Mch 31st/ Palmer/ Joseph & Elizabeth / Robinson/ Cockermouth/ Born March 10th 1864
1865
Feb-y 9th/ Martha Emma daughter of/ John & Margaret/ ,, / ,, / ,,Jany 18th 1865
1866
Aug 15/ Martha Hannah ,, ,,/ Joseph& Elizabeth/ ,, / ,,/ ,, August 11 1866
1867 (Becomes Cockermouth circuit here, noot Keswick as well).
Nov 3/ Martha Ann ,, ,,/ Joseph and Elizabeth/ ,, / ,, / ,,Sept 18 1867
1868
Dec 31/ Henry Elliott son of / John & Margaret/ ,, / ,, / Born Dec19 1868
1869
April 29/ __________________/__________/ Robinson/___-/____/_
1869
Aug 31/John James son of/ Joseph & Isabella/ Robinson/ Broughton/ Born Sep 11 1864
1869
Aug 31/ Joseph Henry/ as above /Born Aug 22 1826
1869
Aug 31/ William Ivison/ as above / born July 8 1869
1873
Feb2/ John Edward son of/ John & Margaret/ Robinson/ Cockermouth/ Born March 16 1872
1874
June 1st/ Joseph Henry ,, / Joseph & Elizabeth / ,, / ,, / ,, May 3rd 1874
1876
July 14th/ Mary Ethel/ John & Margaret/ ,, / ,, / ,, /,, Novr 26th 1876
1883
January 26/ William/ John & Mary SAnn/ ,, / Church St, Dearham/ ,, November 10th 1882
1886
August 3rd/ William Henry/ Hannah Mary / ,, / Overend, Grey southern/ ,, April 19 1886
[ Pronounced "Grey Soon" or similar]
1888
July thirtieth/ Joseph son of/ John William & Catherine / ,, / Cockermouth/ ,, July tenth 1888.
1889
November 27th/ Martha dau,, ,,/ John William & Catherine Robinson/ Born Oct ober twentyfirst1889
1892
February 18th/ Elizabeth ,, / ,, ,,/ ,,,/ ,, / Born Nov 22 1891
1892
March 8th/ Alice Cape? d,, ,,/ John & Ellen / ,,/ Grey southern/ Born Nov 7 1891
1898
July 4th/ Palmer son of/ John William & Catherine / Robinson/ Cockermouth/ Born Ap 21 1898.
Have fun
Margaret (Emms)
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