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Topic: 1841 Census Look up for Fayrer, please. (Read 179 times)
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KateW
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Susannah and Edward James Fayrer in 1864.
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Could someone kindly look at the 1841 for Thomas Fayrer, a Gunsmith, in Portsmouth. He had a son Edward Isaac Fayrer born about 1833 in Portsmouth. No other information is known for sure. It may be worth looking in 1851 as well but the son Edward my not be living with his parents by then.
Thank you, 
KateW
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery:- Nicholas;
Aberayron:-Lewis, Davies;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands:- van Steelandt;
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suzard
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As you suspected-not with parents, but could this be Edward in 1851??
image reads "Fayrer" -transcribed "Fayra"
Brockhurst
Alverstoke
James Morris head M 48 Pensioner Greenwich b. Somerset frome
Lucy wife 47 Schoolmistress Portsmo
Lucy daughter 12 Portsmo
Geo son 9 Portsmo
Josh Morris brother 46 pensioner Greenwich b. Somerset frome
Thomas Fayrer Visitor U 23 Private R.Marines Portsmo
Edward Frayrer Visitor 18 Private R. marines Portsmo
Elizth Fayrer Visitor 16 Scholar Portsmo
Thomas Morris son 18 D(?) R.Marines Portsmo
HO107 1660 175 14
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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KateW
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Susannah and Edward James Fayrer in 1864.
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Hi Suzard,
Thanks, yes that looks like him. He was in the Navy! I presume Thomas and Elizabeth were his siblings.
Very much appreciated.
KateW
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery:- Nicholas;
Aberayron:-Lewis, Davies;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands:- van Steelandt;
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suzard
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Can't find Elizabeth or Edward in 1841 -will look for Thomas (jnr?)
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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suzard
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Sorry -failed on all three!
Looks like Thomas did well -later on he is a ship's corporal
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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KateW
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Thanks for that.
You say later on... was that in another Census? Is there a reference to where or on which ship? Edward was also a Ship's Corporal RM in 1871 Census. So am sure it is the right one now. 
Have you any tips as to how I can find if the three are siblings for sure or find parents? Have looked on IGI and not found Edward there. I found an Elizabeth Jane 1835
with parents Thomas and Jane Ann Fayrer, also a Mary Hannah 1837 with parents Thomas and Jane Fayrer. Ages seemed about right. No indication of Thomas 's occupation though. Gunsmith was on Edward's marriage certificate!
Regards.
KateW
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery:- Nicholas;
Aberayron:-Lewis, Davies;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands:- van Steelandt;
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suzard
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There is a birth reg
FreeBMD
Mary Hannah Fayrer
Sept qtr 1837
Portsea island
7 99
but there is also a death (which may/may not be the child)
Mary Hannah Fayrer
Jun qtr 1838
portsea island
1 123
Who I thought was Thomas -just a note made in passing was
1871 Scotland
Thomas J Fayrer
age 44
born Portsmouth Hants
Royal navy
Aberdeen
Ships Corporal 1d
ED Clyde
Page 29
Household schedule 1
Line 4
Roll CSSCT 1871_191
Maybe if you put out a post requesting baptisms some one may be able to help.
You could put "possible" parents names
I'll keep my eyes open for the elusive Thomas the gunsmith!!
Suz
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KateW
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Thank you suzard, that's interesting! I have been researching my husband's family and they were in Aberdeen in 1800's - what a coincidence!! The fact that he was born in Portsmouth suggests it is the brother of Edward.
Someone else has sent me some baptism details for possible siblings with Thomas and Jane as parents in Portsmouth.
KateW
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery:- Nicholas;
Aberayron:-Lewis, Davies;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands:- van Steelandt;
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Little Nell
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Hi Kate,
May have found the reason why Edward's baptism has eluded you:
Thomas William Fayrer/Fayver m Jane Ann Lynall 6 Nov 1825 Portsmouth St Thomas
Children:
David Isaac 9 Sep 1832 Portsea St Mary
Elizabeth Jane 25 Jan 1835 Portsmouth St Thomas
Mary Hannah b 9 Aug bapt 27 Aug 1837 Portsea St Mary, buried 17 May 1838 (infant), St Thomas
Hope that helps
Nell
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KateW
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Thanks Little Nell.
I had come across him before but thought he was someone different. I wonder why a David Isaac would then be known as Edward Isaac later in life - for example in all Census returns he was Edward but my Mum knew him as Grandfather Isaac - that was what her father had called him.
There appear to have been some more children. One found by suzard, in 1851 census - Thomas.
Thanks for the marriage ref for Thomas - I suppose it is the right one. How can I be sure? I need to cross ref it with some other mention of him. I wonder what he was doing in 1841 & 1851 Census. I will try a search for a mention of him as Gunsmith in Trade Directories for the area.
KateW
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery:- Nicholas;
Aberayron:-Lewis, Davies;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands:- van Steelandt;
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AMBLY
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Hi Kate, Suz....
The Thomas (jnr?) found in Aberdeen 1871 - I believe he was emumerated twice in that Census.
The one Suz posted is for the Ships' Company on board of the ship named "Clyde"
However, it looks like Thomas was also enumerated off shore:
1871 : Abeerdeen St Nicholas, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Parish Ref:: St Nicholas 168/1, ED 48, pg 16, HS 91
Address: 1 Nelson Street
Head: Thomas J FAYRER 43, Seaman on H M S Ship Clyde, b England
Wife: Eliza A FAYRER 42, b England, Seamans Wife.
Boarder: Charlotte DELOE? 6, Scholar, b England
You would need to check the originals on Scotlands People. - however, not only do they have his surname right TWICE  but I doubt there were 2 men of that same name and age on same ship at the same time?
He is also on the 1881 Scotland:
1881: Govan Church, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Ref: Par 646/1, E 8, Pg 9
Address: 32 MacLean Street
Head: Thomas FAYRER 53, Naval Pensioner, b England
Wife: Eliza FAYRER 52 born England
He died that same year in Scotland:
1881: Thomas John FAYRER , age 53, died Govan Lanarkshire
This is only an Index search - I did try it with a Mother's surname of Ly" and it came up blank, but that is not to say it wasn't Lynall or similar. You would need to check the original death cert on Scotland's People - you are lucky, a Scottish death cert has provision to include the deceased's father's name & occupation, and the mother's name and maiden name.
There are 5 FAYRER deaths recorded on SP 1855 to 1956. One of them is Thomas J. But I cannot identify one of the other 4 as being an Eliz*. It looks to me as if she went back to England after he died and outlived him by 18 years.
Deaths Qtr Jun 1909
Eliza Ann FAYRER - age 81 - Registered: Portsmouth REf: 2b 299
Will have a look for her in 1891/1901
Cheers
AMBLY
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KateW
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That's fantastic - I know how useful Scottish death certificates are as I am researching my husband's Scottish ancestors and have found out a lot from the Scotlandspeople website. Looks like I need to buy more credits with Scotlandspeople then. Hopefully I may find his parent's details then.
Thanks AMBLY for looking those up for me.
Thanks to all of you for all your help - what a brilliant website this is!!!! 
many thanks,
KateW
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery:- Nicholas;
Aberayron:-Lewis, Davies;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands:- van Steelandt;
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KateW
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Just a thought .......
I had been slightly worried that in the Fayrer baptism detail for son of Thomas Fayrer and Jane, 13 May 1827, the baby was John Thomas and I was looking for Thomas.
BUT the 1881 death record for Thomas shows he was Thomas John.
Is it likely that for some reason his names were changed around? I am worried that wanting it to be him isn't the same as it actually being him, if you know what I mean!!
Rather the same as the puzzle over David Isaac / Edward Isaac.
KateW
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Devon:- Hunt, Parnell & Dennis;
Surrey:- Candler, Read;
Bucks:- Garner, Adams, Perkins:
Portsmouth:- Fayrer, Taylor & Bucklan;
Liverpool:- Garner, Wolstenholme & Case;
Llandovery:- Nicholas;
Aberayron:-Lewis, Davies;
Durness, Sutherland, Scotland:- Whyte, Ross, Mackay.
Aberdeen, Scotland:- Pittendreigh/igh/each.
Kent:-Millen, Brenchley, Cotton, Quin;
Netherlands:- van Steelandt;
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Little Nell
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You posted as I was composing the following, but I'll post anyway.
I have finally found your Thomas!
John Thomas Fayrett, baptised 13 May 1827 Portsea St Mary, parents Thomas and Jane Fayrett.
I also found another child:
Mary Ann Emma Fayres baptised 5 May 1839 Portsmouth St Thomas
I have checked the National Archives records of naval service records: there are five, all born in Portsmouth and area, including your Edward by the looks of it. It will not give you his parents' names but it will provide you with a description and the ships on which he served.
ADM29/72 includes on (original) page 495 the following about a naval rating:
Thomas Fayrer (birth date and place not given), served 20 Jun 1857 - 29 June 1866
Personally I would not be overly bothered by the switch of names - the surname is quite unusual. I think you can safely claim him! If Thomas's wife always knew him as Thomas John, that's what she would tell the registrar.
Nell
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AMBLY
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This looks like it could be Thomas (jnr's?) widow in 1891:
1891: Portsea, Portsmouth, Hampshire
Ref: RG12; Piece: 868; Folio 83; Page 23
Address: 23 Holloway Street
Head: Amelia HUNTER 57, wid, Living on her Own Means
Dau: Amelia HUNTER 30, unm, Hem Machinist (Dress)
Son: Frank HUNTER 28, unm, general Labourer
Lodger: Eliza FAYRER 62, wid, Charwoman
ALL born Portsmouth
But I've lost her in 1901?
She is not to be confused with an Elizabeth/Eliza C(ulyer?) FAYRER, a widow born abt 1829 Montreal Canada. She is found in England 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 - the last 3 times, in Portsmouth. She also had a son named Edward (born Canada).
Cheers
AMBLY
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