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Al in Vane
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Hi, has anyone got access to the Dymock Parish Registers for the 1870s?
I have a family there in 1871 farming at Barrows Green composed of Oliver and Mary Ann Grubb with children Mary Ann b1864 and William Oliver Arris b1868. A further child Henry was born later in June 1871 and by 1881 he was the only one left living with his Grandfather in Tewkesbury.
Could anyone look up those deaths (burials) for me in Dymock in the 1870s and oblige
Al
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Gillg
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Al,
I'll be visiting Gloucester RO next week, and will have a look at the Dymock PRs for your family. Do you think it's possible that they moved from there to anywhere else?
I took a look at the IGI, as you probably have done, and was intrigued to find the following entries, admittedly all members' submissions:
22 Jan 1791 Oliver Aris Grubb baptised in Helidon, Northants, son of William Grubb and Ann Ariss, died c1872 Brize Norton.
1827 Oliver Grubb baptised in Berrow, Worcs, son of Oliver Aris Grubb.
11 July 1841 Oliver Grubb baptised in Helidon, Northants, son of James Grubb and Elizabeth Aris.
9 June 1867 Oliver Heirip Grubb baptised in Dymock, son of Oliver and Mary Ann Grubb. This is an extracted record, so accurate, though I wonder if it's the vicar's attempt at spelling Ariss, or the transcriber's effort at reading difficult handwriting, maybe. I'll take a look at the original of that one.
Spellings as shown on IGI.
Don't want to muddy the water or anything, but they do seem to have come from other areas. I couldn't find a marriage for Oliver and Mary Ann (who I presume was called Collins, since this was the name of the grandfather in Tewkesbury), could you?
I'll get back to you with what I can find. Here's hoping!
Gillg
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY, CHURCH from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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ChasH
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Submitted entries in the IGI are annoying for they have no provenance which is why it's best to use the Hugh Wallis site at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle where only extracted entries can be found
It's a shame the LDS do not extract burials' data.
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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Al in Vane
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Many thanks for your replies and for your offer of help Gillg, much appreciated.
I do not think they moved at all. Father Oliver was born in Hellidon in 1791 as you say but I have found no more of him until he married Sarah Hankins at Birtsmorton, Worcestershire on 21st Fevruary 1825. He died at Birtsmorton and was buried there on 4th January 1872 a few days short of his 82nd birthday and I have a copy of his will from Worcester Record Office. It is the son's family that appear to have been wiped out in just a few years in the late 1870s after they had settled in Dymock.
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Al in Vane
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Forgot to say that Oliver Grubb married Mary Ann Collins in 1860 at Tewkesbury.
The Brize Norton submission for the place of Oliver's death in 1872 was wrong, it should have been Birtsmorton!
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Gillg
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Brize Norton, Birtsmorton... well, I suppose they sound fairly similar and got passed down the generations in Chinese whispers, till an LDS member wrote down what he thought he had heard.
Hope to be in contact soon with some more reliable information for you. Thank goodness for the Hugh Wallis site ChasH mentioned!
Gillg
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY, CHURCH from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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Cheers Gillg, the main interest is why, after doing so well, the family almost died out in a short time, the smart money is on Typhus.
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Gillg
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There may be some record if an outbreak of typhus occurred in Dymock at that time (or was it an everyday sort of illness then?). I'll ask the archivist. Could your family have been in the workhouse?*** I understand typhus flourishes in overcrowded conditions, and is also called ship's fever or prison fever for that reason. If the vicar or parish clerk was the chatty sort, as in another PR I looked at recently, he could have recorded a brief history of notable events in the parish for the year.
A rather wild guess would be that the family emigrated, but surely they wouldn't leave Henry behind? That's just pure speculation, as many of my family emigrated around that time to Australia, New Zealand and the US. I think your typhus theory is much more sensible. Anyway, a look at the PR should help. If there's nothing in Dymock, I'll try the Tewkesbury registers, just in case.
Gillg
***Just read your first entry again, and realise that it's most unlikely that the family could have been in the workhouse, unless things went drastically wrong for them after 1871.
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY, CHURCH from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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Gillg
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Al
There are no Grubb burials in Dymock between 1871 and 1881! I also looked at Holy Trinity, Tewkesbury without success and then ran out of time before I could search the Abbey records, but I can do this another time, if you wish.
I looked at a book called "Dymock thorugh the ages" on the archivist's recommendation, but found no reference to an epidemic of typhus or any other disease in the area at that time. This doesn't mean there wasn't one, of course.
Is there any significance in the death of an Oliver Grubb age 45 in Market Bosworth, Leics, in Mar qtr 1880, do you think?
Sorry I couldn't help more.
Gill
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Al in Vane
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Gill, My thanks to you for that, very much appreciated. I must admit I am very surprised that you found nothing in Dymock, perhaps you could look in the Abbey records sometime for me if it is no trouble. The one in Market Bosworth was the son of another of the brothers from Hellidon, Edward, who settled in nearby Welton, Northants.
I don't know the Dymock area. Oliver's farm was at Berrows Green, could there be another church in the near vicinity I wonder?
Anyway Gill, thank you again for your time and effort on my behalf
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Gillg
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Al
Looking at the OS map, I can only see Berrow, situated between Dymock and Tewkesbury, also Bromsberrow not far away. Perhaps Berrows Green was the name of the farm, or a tiny hamlet too small to be named on the map. There are several possibilities of churches in this area, so I'll take another look when I'm next in the RO. I'm afraid it won't be for a week or so.
Curiously there are two long-lived Grubb women buried at Bromsberrow: Mabel Jane 1880-1963 and Edith Mary 1870-1969, daughters of William and Emma Grubb.
Gill
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Hi Al
I have just been looking through Tewkesbury PRs and can tell you that the only Grubb to be buried there between 1871 and 1881 was Martha age 75 of Oldbury Road on 17 Nov 1881.
The search goes on for your Oliver and his elusive family...
Gillg
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Al in Vane
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Gillg, Many thanks for trying for me, it is very much appreciated but I don't like to impose on your valuable time. As I see it the family must have moved somewhere else in the early 1870s, possibly back into Worcestershire but I still think the family then died out apart from the youngest son who was with his Grandfather in 1881 although I cannot understand why none of the names has appeared on the burial lists.
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Gillg
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Al
It's certainly frustrating not to be able to find any trace of the family, though not unusual to find a young family member visiting a relative, but I note that the 1881 describes Henry as a grandson and not a visitor. I have one ancestor who was never recorded with her family. Age 6 she was visiting another relative, age 16 she was a servant in London and age 26 she was in Australia! At first I couldn't connect her with the family at all, but the surname is unusual, and I sent for the birth cert out of curiosity to find out who she belonged to.
I'm running out of ideas here, but if you get any further clues, do let me know, and I'll try to follow them up.
Gillg
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Cheers Gillg, I will give it some deep thought and go back over all the options. Thanks you for your time and efforts on my behalf
Al
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