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Barbara F
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Thanks for the extra info Ambers.
Looks as though it could be complicated! Will see what I can dig up on Thursday.
Have you considered that Richard might have gone abroad as lots of Cornish miners did?
Barbara
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ambers
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Hello Barbara...I do appreciate your interest very much.
I too wonder if he turned his hand to Gold Mining and went abroad and died there, the births certs of his children say he was a Gold Miner...so he must have been at sometime.
He and the other Richard Eddy (Sarah Trembaths son Gold Miner) appear to be the only ones I can't trace on the 1901.
If I could find a family connection with the St Ives family in St Just, it might help.
I have followed through all the other Richard Eddy's and their families born 1868-1874    ....and those two appeared the only possibles because their fathers were Tin Miners.
Wish I could be there Thursday, and many thanks for giving your time to help me. 
Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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ambers
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Hi Barbara,
I also thought there was a connection with William and Mary Eddy living at Beach St Ives....so here's what I have on that family in case it might help.
In the 1851 RG 107 1917 F478 P5
This couples daughter Jane b1816 is married to John Trevorrow
children Jane 8, John 6...Marriage 1843 1sr qtr Penzance 9-207
1861 RG 9/1590 F14 P26
They have a grandchild living with them Mary Ann Allen 2, next door I believe Mary Allen 26 born st Ives. with child Richard 5 to be their daughter....they also have a B-I-L James Shugg 19 b Portleven, Fisherman.
1871 RG 10/2334 F7 P8 St Ives
Richard Allen 40- Port- Leven Sailor, Mary 38, Richard 13, Mary A 11,William 8,...,Charlot Eddy 30 Portleven, Richard Eddy 30- Sailor- Portleven
I can't find the marriage of Richard Allen and Mary.
Regards Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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Barbara F
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Thanks Ambers
I managed to have a very quick look at the file yesterday (we had an Open Day at the Archive).
There is some information on a Richard Eddy born 1899. Can you tell me who your Richard married and where - so I can cross check?
Barbara
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ambers
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Oh how exciting Barbara F, fingers crossed
He married at:
The Register Office, Swansea, Glamorgan.
22nd September, 1923
Richards Eddy/24/Bach/Fisherman, Steam Trawler, 88Foxhole Road/ Father Richard Eddy,(deceased) Coal Hewer....don't understand that though.
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Martha Ferinda Bradnum/23/Spinster/ same address/ Father John Benjamin Helsdon Bradnum./ Fisherman. Steam Trawler.
I am intrigued by this, what sort of File do you look at, that can follow people moving out of the area...I am green with jealousy
Regards Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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Barbara F
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Thanks Ambers
I registered that the record I looked at yesterday mentioned a marriage outside Cornwall - but please don't get your hopes up because I don't think it was Wales! Any way, will do a thorough check tomorrow.
We keep files on all families where we have been asked for help with research. So, in the Eddy file, for example, there are several threads of research.
Will be in touch soon.
Barbara
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ambers
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Hi Barbara 
Keeping everything crossed for to-morrow 
Checked the GRO COMPLETE births Index: my Richard Eddy is the only one born in 1899, Penzance 1st qtr 5c 240...  .I have got the certificate, and all details check out with the rest of the my family.
The other closest births are:
Richard Eddy 1898, 1st qtr Penzance 5c 250.
Richard Martin Eddy 1900, 1st qtr Helston 5c 169
Richard Stanley Eddy 1900, 3rd qtr, Penzance 5c 226
Regards Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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Barbara F
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Hello Ambers
Bad news I am afraid 
I have looked at the family tree from one of the other Eddy researchers and from this it appears that the Richard Eddy born Halsetown in 1867 married in 1901. This is the Free BMD entry
Marriages Sep 1901
Brooks Gertrude Emily Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 188
Eddy Richard Newcastle T. 10b 188
Now, it could be that this research is flawed, but it seems fairly unlikely as the researcher is a direct descendant. I am quite happy to contact her to check, if that would be useful.
I did have a scout round for other Richard Eddys - unfortunately it is a common name here.
Perhaps we just need to take a step back. What is the earliest known fact you have about your family. For example, are Richard Eddy and Martha Bradnum definitely ancestors?
Barbara
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ambers
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Hi Barbara,
That is so disappointing
One step back with known facts:
Richard Eddy (b1899) married Martha Ferinda Bradnum (b1900-d1936) in Swansea 1923...these were my grandparents.
Richard Eddy b1st January 1899 at 59 Tregeseal, St Just,
Doris Eddy b22nd March 1903, Tregeseal, St Just, (father deceased). Mother Eliza Jane Eddy formerly Thomas.
I have family photographs, birth certs which says on both of them that father Richard Eddy was a Gold Miner, and a living Eddy visited his sister Doris at that address many times.
Parents of the above.
Marriage certificate 22 June 1898 for Richard Eddy, 27, Miner (Pendeen)and Eliza Jane Thomas, 24,Higher Tregeseal, St Just.
The Parish Church, in the Parish of St Just..Banns.
Witnesses John Matthews and Margaret Matthews
Fathers:Richard Eddy (Miner) and Nicholas Thomas (Miner)
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Eliza Jane Thomas known as Janie, is on the 1901 census with her mother, brother and son Richard Eddy B1899
I have traced Janie's second marriage to Williams Mallett Acford 3rd November 1907 Wesleyan Chapel, Penzance.
I have certs, photographs, and have spoken to descendants from that marriage, and they have the same photographs of my grandfather Richard Eddy b1899, as I do.
So all facts are confirmed for the above information.
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The only Richard Eddy that I can fit all the facts from his marriage certificate to was Richard Eddy and Sarah Trembath son born 1871 but The Will in 1902 made no mention of a wife or children.
I did have various searches done but nothing came of them, leaving me to assume that on the marriage certificate for Richard Eddy some of the details are incorrect: fathers occupation, age, or the residence in Pendeen was only temporary. ......so I carry on trying to seek him out.
Thank you so much for taking an interest because I was just about ready to give up
Ambers.
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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Barbara F
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So, we are looking for a Richard Eddy born about 1871. Living in Pendeen in 1898 and stated to be a Gold Miner in 1899 and 1903!
Pendeen baptism records are on line but the Richard shown there is I think the Richard son of Richard Eddy and Sarah Trembath.
Free BMD has rather a lot of births for a Richard Eddy around this period even discounting those with a second name. Will cross check with the censuses.
One avenue perhaps worth exploring is that Richard was illegitimate and made up a name for his father. Also he could be lurking in a census with a different surname if his mother married and was widowed or had not married at all first time round.
Will check the censuses and see what I can come up with.
Have you had the St Just PRs checked for baptisms?
More later.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,,,you are a brave lady with so many Richard Eddy's. 
I found six Richard Eddy's in the 1871 census who either had a son Richard then or by the 1881 census, but only two were Miners.
I have followed through Richard Eddy b1840, wife Mary b1843 son from the 1871 RG10 2345 F21 P1 and he married Elizabeth J Wallis… I think I found her mother living with them in 1891. RG12 1860 F105 P10..Marriage St Just Penwith 20/7/1890
I checked all available sources on-line for Baptisms IGI, High Wallis, Cornwall on –line, Genuki but again the only deff match wasfor son of Richard and Sarah Trembath
I had a search carried out for his Obituary but nothing was found.
Also, do you think it might help to send for the death certificate in 1907 of a Richard Eddy,.?
Janie his wife re-married in 1907, that was a long time to survive money wise in those days when your husband had died between June 1902 and march 1903 when she had Doris Eddy b1903…I couldn’t find a baptisms for her or Richard b1899 but have the certs.
Do you know if I can check out if she received assistance from the Parish?
I can't thank you enough for trouble you gone to to help me, most people glaze over when the name Richard Eddy is mention. And, I understand why. 
If you can think of any more information I can check out for myself, please let me know.
Regards Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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Barbara F
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Hello again Ambers
I have not given up yet!
I am not sure it is worth getting that death certificate at the moment. If Doris' birth certificate is correct then Richard should have died 1n 1902 or early 1903. As we cannot find a death, and nor can we find him on the 1901 census, I wonder if he was abroad and died there. He could possibly have come back and fathered Doris. Or - could he have gone abroad in say 1900 and just disappeared? This could explain why Eliza Jane did not marry again until 1907. It does pose the question as to who was Doris' father though!
I think I would be inclined to look at the St Just baptisms for the 2 children - particularly Doris - in case that sheds any light on her parentage or the whereabouts of Richard. Sometimes, if you are lucky, the PRs have some additional information. I can't find these on line and I do not have access to them. Perhaps you could enquire on here specifically for a St Just PR look up?
I think it is also worth investigating shipping records to see if we can identify Richard Eddy going abroad. I can do some checks on Tuesday but you may wish to check the ancestors on board site (pay to view).
By the way who registered the other Richard's death?
If I think of anything else I will post again.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
I am so glad you haven't given but please say if you find all this searching for me too much....I am just grateful that you have managed to dismiss the St Ives Richard Eddy as being connected.
Sarah Eddy (Trembath) son, Richard Eddy's death was registered by his brother James, abode Trewellard.
I have looked at shipping records in the hope of spotting him but all were travelling alone. Even paying £3.50 a time, the only information I got was married/ single, born Penzance/Cornwall, and so many Richard Eddy's. If the return journeys were listed it would have helped.
Johannesburg has been mentioned within the family but I am not sure!
I searched Deaths in various Countries, and didn't find any Richard Eddy of the correct age.
I did contact the Parish Clerk at St Just about Baptisms but can't remember if I asked for both children's at that time...in any event I was only sent the GRO ref but I already had the certificates....I will try again.
She was from an Eddy line herself, and mentioned a difficulty
with one of them...odds on he was mine
This might be of interest or help.
When Doris Eddy b 1903, married in 1924, the Parish Church , St Just in Penwith, one of the Witnesses was a Matthew Eddy. Sarah Eddy (Trembath) had a son by this name about six years older than Doris....at the time I was still trying to prove a connection with that family.
When Richard Eddy b1899 visited Cornwall (Tregeseal) in later years, he only visited his sister Doris at Tregeseal.
So where were his fathers parents and other family members living or had there been some family probelms in the past?
I have tried checking other people's Tree's on-line to get a hook on him, again to no avail.
Many thanks
Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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Barbara F
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Ambers
Just another thought. I wonder if there was a newspaper report on the funeral of Richard in 1902. Sometimes they give lots of information about mourners.
Barbara
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Hello Barbara,
I contacted the Records Office, and they recommened The Cornishmen newspaper to be the most likely...twice weekly I think.
Nothing in it
The Parish Clerk replied this morning, she is so efficient, only mailed her last night  .
The Parish Records for Penwith are being slowly Transcribed but she thinks the cut off date is going to be about 1900.
I will have to ring the Records Office.
Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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