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Topic: Ackland family - Herriard, Hampshire (Read 321 times)
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coonwarra
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I am looking for the parents of Mary (middle initial of L or S) Ackland, born circa 1863, and Charles G Ackland, born circa 1865, both at Herriard, Hampshire.
In 1881 Mary is with an uncle named Frederick Blunden in Basingstoke (I'm not sure how he fits in).
Charles is in Yorkshire with parents listed as John and Elizabeth Kidgell (presumably this is a second marriage for Elizabeth)
I would be grateful for any assistance with this.
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Ireland: Arlour, Arlow, Hammond, Hannah, Shanks
Scotland: Allan, Black, Carlyle, Corkingdale, Fleeting, Grant, Hammond, Hannah, Kirkwood, Lothian, McFarlane, Neilson, Shanks, Sneddon, Wood
Sussex/Hampshire/Surrey/London/Kent: Beagley, Douch, Earl, Ladyman, Pattenden, Peskett, Standen, Stonestreet, Windiate
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rainbowuk
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Hi,
Not sure if you have this but this looks like them in 1871..staying with another relative
Hannah Peskett...widow...age 68..saddler and harness maker..brn Odiham
Mary SorL? Ackland...neice..age 8..scholar...brn Herriard
Charles G Ackland..nephew..age 6..scholar...brn Herriard
They had a servant and were living at Winchester St, Basingstoke
RG10 Piece, 1234, folio 13, page 19
Susan
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Flucker, Rutherford, Linton all Newhaven, Leith Scotland
Dixon...North Sheilds and Barrow in Furness
Green...Durham and Barrow in Furness
Duffy...Edinburgh
Mangan...Edinburgh and County Cavan , Ireland
Galligan..Edinburgh and County Cavan, Ireland
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The Newfster
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Cant see - in FreeBMD at least - a marriage twixt John Kidgell and Elizabeth Ackland - in fact no relevant John Kidgell marriages at all.
He's a bit older in 1871 (as it were), in Sussex with an Edward Kidgell, also born Oakley, Stationmaster of Cuckfield .....
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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The Newfster
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Ref the 1881 Kidgells ..... and Elizabeth, the wife of John and presumably mother of Charles Gascoigne Ackland.
The only Ackland marriage I can see to a Gascoigne is this one in 1861, which fits with the 1881 Elizabeth saying she was born London .... assuming the couples were partnered that way of course !
But the marriage is a Susannah .... and William is not related to the Family of Acklands shown later ....
Marriages Mar 1861
Ackland William Bethnal Gn Vol 1c Page 421
Garey Emma Maria Bethnal Gn do do
Gascoiyne Susannah Bethnal Gn do do
Leach Thomas William Bethnal Gn do do
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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The Newfster
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Its initially hard to see how Frederick Blunden fits in with no wife there ....
In 1871, he and a wife Mary Ann (born c1842, Lasham, Hants) were visiting in Walcot, near Bath. Frederick was already a Wine Merchant (& Chemist) ...
which helps to pin down the marriage ...
Marriages Sep 1862
Ackland Mary Anne Marylebone Vol 1a Page 1026 to Blunden Frederick
so he is an Uncle by marriage - presumably to Mary and Charles' Father's sister !
So now we know that the Acklands were from Lasham (near Herriard - and today the biggest Glider airfield in the south !)
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Here they are in 1861 - the Patriarch is a Charles ...
1861 - RG9/704; Folio: 47; Page: 4 - Lasham, Hants
Hile Farm
Charles Ackland 65 Head Farmer of 400 acres, 6 Labs & 5 Boys employed born Basing, Hants
Mary Ackland 60 Wife Herriard, Hants
Daniel Ackland 21 son Lasham
Mary A Ackland 19 dau do
Servants ...
Charles Cannings 16
Robert Custis 11
Mary Duffen 21
William Fosberg 13
Jeremiah Messinger 30 Shepherd
George Ruffle 17
Richard Walker 18
Augustus White 30
So, is Daniel Ackland the Father of Charles and Mary S (the niece in 1881 of Fred Blunden) ??
Or are there older sons around ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Hmmmmm  not what I expected - given the Gascoigne middle name of young Charles .... maybe Gascoigne is from an earlier generation ?
Marriages Sep 1861
Ackland Daniel Southampton Vol 2c Page 20
TO:-
BALKHAM Elizabeth Southampton do do
OR:-
Fitch Hannah Harriet Southampton do do == see later findings ...
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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In 1851, there are 2 older sons ... Parents Charles and Mary are still in Lasham ....
Charles Ackland UNMARRIED 22 son Butcher Herriard
John Ackland 25 UNMARRIED son Herriard
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Heres Charles and Mary from the IGI - still no sign of the Gascoigne name ..
CHARLES ACKLAND
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY APPLETON
Marriage: 08 FEB 1825 Herriard, Hampshire
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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The Newfster
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Doesnt seem to be any more sons ...
1841 - HO107/385/19; Lasham; District: 9; Folio: 3; Page: 1
Chs Ackland 45
Mary Ackland 40
John Ackland 15
Chs Ackland 12
D~~~ Ackland 3
So who married who .....
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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The Newfster
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Charles Jnr, a Butcher is married to a Mary ...
In 1871 they are in Winchester, with a 9 year old Mary Ann.
High Street, next to the Police station
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Cant see John yet ...
This might well be Daniel, age only a tad out, and correct RD of Basingstoke for Herriard et al ... also explains why he's not on the 1871 census, and perhaps why the kids are with a relative.
Deaths Sep 1869
Ackland Daniel 31 Basingstoke Vol 2c Page 117
Overall I'd say Daniel is the Father you seek.
BUT GET the BIRTH CERT for Charles that RainbowUK found ..
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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should have spotted this sooner ... Elizabeth Ackland in 1871 - she IS the lass who married Daniel - look at the surname of the Visitor!
This must be the dwelling of Frederick and Mary Blunden - whom we saw visiting friends near Bath in 1871 - the kiddies are theirs I guess, and Elizabeth is their Aunt by marriage.
I guess she eventually paired up with John K, but it doesnt look like they married.
So I think we can say that your original question is answered :-
The parents of Mary S and Charles G Ackland were Daniel Ackland and Elizabeth Balkham
1871 - RG10/1234; Folio: 14; Page: 21 - Basingstoke, St Michael
Market Place, London Street
Elizabeth Ackland (neι Balkham) 29 Widow Sister-In-Law HouseKeeper born London
Mary S Balkham 18 Visitor London
Children deduced to be those of Frederick and Mary (neι Ackland) Blunden
Alfred Blunden 5
Edith B Blunden 1
Florence Blunden 3
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Good Lord - what a tightly knit set of Ancestors you have 
1851 - HO107/1681; Folio: 141; Page: 21 - Basingstoke
Winton Street (adjacent to Market Place)
George Peskett 43 Head Saddler Hants, Odiham
Hannah Peskett 41 Wife Odiham
Richard Peskett 76 Father Retired Painter Sussex, Midhurst
Elizabeth Peskett 74 Mother Odiham
Samuel Gaskin 15 Nephew Saddlers Apprentice Odiham
Elizabeth Balkham 9 Niece London Middx
William Balkham 6 Nephew do
Mary Pantin 16 Servant
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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