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patvp1
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Looking for information re my G/Grandfathers family.
Thomas Hall born 18 Jan 1861 at Sauchie, parents Edward Hall c1828 place of birth unk, Robina Sneddon c1831 place of birth unk. Could be the parents of Edward were Thomas and C Moir.
On Robina Sneddon I have no information.
Thomas Hall married Isabella Robertson 15 Aug 1881 in Alva, she died in 1890 Alva, they had four daughters Charlotte c1888 was my grandmother.
Isabella parents John Robertson 1829 and Isabella Cramb 1831.
Cramb parents John 1803-1884 and Isabel Young 1803.
Robertson parents John Robertson 1795 and Christian ?
And now I have hit a brick wall or maybe once again can't see the wood for the trees....
My grandmother hade three older sisters two of whom I knew nothing about  1. Isabella Cramb Hall married a William Dryburgh in 1905 at Alva and 2. Robina Sneddon Hall of whom I have no information, another sister Christine married James Allan in Alva and she was the only sister I knew about.
Hoping someone can give me a hand with this problem..don't think I can wait for the 1911 census to be made available am already 70 years old LOL...  Regards patvp
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stuizzy
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Don't know whether this will push things forward at all, but the 1871 census lists Robina as also being from Sauchie. Let me know whether you want this information listed properly.
In 1851 I think that I've found Robina, though her name might be butchered
North Side of the Turnpike Rd
Agness Marshall Head 77 Alloa
Charlot Marshall Daur 49 Works at Woolan Factory Sauchie
Cathrine Marshall Daur 39 " Sauchie
ROBINA SNADAN Granddaur 20 " Sauchie
John Cook Grandson 15 " Sauchie
(This listing came from ancestry transcriptions - I didn't read them off the actual census returns).
In 1841, the same family are listed as
Agness Marshall 65
Carlotte Marshall 35 Woolen Manf
Catherne Marshall 30 "
Robina Snaden 13 "
Charlotte Cook 15 "
John Cook 5
The address is just Newtonshaw.
So it looks as though Robina's parents were Mr Sneddon/Snadon and Miss Marshall who might have been dead by 1841.
Hope this helps a bit.
Isobel
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stuizzy
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Just found something else interesting in the IGI. I was trying to find Robina's parents, unsuccessfully. So I looked for the birth of Charlotte or Catherine to try to find their father, and hence to find any other children, and then hopefully a mother for Robina.
In the IGI is a member submitted record of Charlotte Marshall, born about 1806 of Clackmannan whose spouse was listed as ROBERT SNADDON, married 26 May 1827 in Clackmannan. Admittedly, it's member submitted, so needs to be checked out, but it's interesting!
Isobel
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patvp1
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Hi Stuizzy - and thanks for the info..yes that checks out re 1841-1851 census. Just looked at 1861 census and am more confused..Catherine and Charlotte now appear as daughter's of Ann Michie age 90..could that be right..obviously the same family as John Cook is still with them !!!So far cannot find the IGI ref you spoke of so will have another look  regards patvp
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stuizzy
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I just couldn't leave this alone. I had some left over credits on scotlandspeople so I looked up Robina's death certificate. Send me your email address through personal message, and I'll send you a copy. Save you getting it yourself.
It does confirm that her parents were Robert Snaddon, Pit Banksman and Charlotte (Marshall) Snaddon. Both were deceased by 29 June 1893 when Robina died.
Interesting that you found everyone living with Ann Michie in 1861. In the IGI I found an appropriate Charlotte and Catherine Marshall born to John Marshall and Ann Mickie. Again, member submitted but there's a Charlotte, born 8 Jan 1802, christened 10 Jan 1802 in Clackmannan (batch number 6925205) and Catherine born 21 Feb 1810 (batch number 6925206). These parents also seem to have a son, John, born 22 March 1805, christened 25 March 1805 (batch number 6925206).
Perhaps the ladies just reverted to maiden names at some point.
Isobel
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patvp1
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How do I send a personal message...and so many thanks for that..funnily enoughwas just looking at their son Thomas's birth cert which states marriage of Edward Hall and Robina Sneddon took place 03 June 1853 Alloa..and do you think I can find a marriage !!!!! nothing on scotland people or anywhere else..not that it would tell me much ..seem to be going around in circles patvp
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patvp1
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Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you but it has taken some sorting out and I don't like member submitted stuff. Yes the ladies did revert to their maiden names and in the 1871 census Cathe (sic) and Charlotte Marshall are living together and STILL working 
The John (1836) is John Cook (grandson) in the 1841 census at Newtonshaw Clackmannanshire he is with his mother Charlotte and she dissapears in the 1851.
Still, for the life in me cannot find Robert Sneddon/Snadon wondered if he may have been born at Sauchie as that is where Charlotte was born..but so far no luck now have no idea, any help gratefully received. patvp
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DavidofLincs
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Pat,
Just to warn you that the Sneddons and their ilk, of whom there are many in the Clacks area, appear under a wide variety of spellings, both in the original entries in the enumerators' books, and in the many different transcriptions (or should that be mis-transcriptions) of those original entries.
In fact the surname should really be spelt S.N.A/E.D(D).A/E/O.N! By my reckoning, that gives 12 possible spellings from SNADAN to SNEDDON. Eight of these appear in the FHS transcription of the 1851 census for Clackmannan parish alone.
Good luck.
David
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mariac
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This is very true David.
Iam trying to find Sneddons/Snaddons/Snadon/etc etc in this area and it is really very difficult to know if you are on the right family.
Good Luck Pat
Mariac
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patvp1
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Think I need more than good luck - Just gone back to the Sneddons/Snadon'd etc etc. Cannot find a birth for Robina Sneddon 1828 or 1831 on Scotlands People or IGI . I have her death cert in Alva in 1893 parents listed Robert Sneddon and Charlotte Marshall but in the 1841 census she is with her Grandmother Agnes Marshall in Clacks and her place of birth is Sauchie..now what would Sauchie come under have tried Alloa, Tillicoutry, Clacks to no avail, maybe have got something wrong somewhere as u said it's damned difficult..regards Pat
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DavidofLincs
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Pat,
Throughout most of the 19th Century, Sauchie formed a 'detached' part of Clackmannan parish. It was transferred to Alloa parish as part of a re-organisation which took place in 1891, but in all the earlier Censuses you will find it in Clackmannan parish.
I happen to be the Co-ordinator for the FreeCEN transcription of the 1841 Clackmannanshire, and I can tell you that the transcripts for the Sauchie part of Clackmannan parish were put on-line for free searching at the beginning of November.
David.
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patvp1
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Thank you for that info - finally found a marriage for Robert Snaddon (note spelling) and Charlotte Marshall they were married 26/05/1827 in Clacks. Have no idea ,so far, what happened to them as Robina was living with her grandmother in 1841 and 1851 at Sauchie may have more success in the new year ??.
I know it's early..but all of you..have a very Happy Christmas and a prosperous New Yar...Patvp
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patvp1
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Hi Isabel - re the Snaddon's and Michie..just had a look at wills and testaments on SP.. There is a James Sneddon publican Old Ship Inn, The Shore, Alloa d 19/10/1895 at Alloa testate father of Catherine Sneddon or Michie ...wonder if this ties in womewhere. all the best patvp
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Hi Pat. Hope this doesn't muddy the waters and that it helps somewhat. I'm researching a Francis Hall, son of John Hall/Margaret Thomson. I say this as some records imply his parents to be Thomas Hall/Christian Moir or James Hall/Christian Moir. The latter two are brothers of John. Anyways, my research indicates that Thomas Hall/Christian Moir's son Edward was b. 22 June 1823 and c. 5 Feb 1828 and he m. Robina Snaddon. Children that I noted were dtr Christina Moir Hall b. 14 Apr 1857 & dtr Barbara Moir Hall b. 7 Dec 1858 (Alloa). I did not continue researching this particular line. If the above is a connection for you then Edward's father Thomas' parents were Thomas Hall/Jean Malcolm. Your Marshall data is interesting as the 1851 census has my Francis Hall relocated from Clackmannan and lodging in Salsburgh, Lanarkshire with a Thomas & Agnes Marshall's family. Francis subsequently came to Canada in 1854. Happy New Year, Golfer.
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patvp1
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Hi Golfer..
Edward Hall was born 05 Feb 1828 in Clackmannan, there was another Edward born 22 Jun 1823 to Thomas and Christian and I assumed he had died have yet to prove it. Edward married Robina Sneddon 03 Jun 1853 at Alloa they had eight children including Christine and Barbara (prolific lot wern't they?) I have traced them thru'Clackmannan and then to Alva Thomas their son born 1861 was my g/grandfather, where the Marshall's come in was because my g/grandmother Isabella died and the girls were split up..this is all very hard to explain maybe it would be better if you contact me at my e.mail adds pat26438@hotmail.com and see what we can sort out..regards Par..by the way I am in Australia 
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