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Aulus
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The black sheep: Florence Stevenson née Hampson
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I wonder if anyone can help me make further progress with my START and COLE families who were in Sussex (around Chichester?) at the start of the 19th Century? I can't seem to get any further with the IGI, but might just be missing them for some reason.
The IGI has the christening/baptism of Harriet START 24 Aug 1808 (Batch C070151) to parents Charles START and Ann. Oddly, there aren't any other START christenings under that Batch number.
I haven't been able to find out any more about Charles Start and his wife Ann.
Harriet START married John Cole (though I can't find the marriage). They are on the 1841 census (HO107, Chichester Sub-Deanery, Enumeration District 11; page 14. By the time of the 1851 census they are living in Marylebone in London (HO107/1488; folio 220; p. 34). On the 1861 (RG9/73; Folio: 118; Page: 32) and the 1871 census they're still in Marylebone (RG10/160, fol. 25, p. 43).
The censuses put Harriet's birth at 1806 in Felpham, Sussex. (The 1861 transposes Harriet's & John's places of birth).
The censuses put John Cole's birth at 1804 in Thorp, Essex (wherever that might be). Essex to Sussex seems quite a long way for a horse clipper/stableman, but it's clearly that on two censuses, 30 years apart. Though the 1841 has him born in Sussex. I've not found out anything more about him yet.
Harriet and John COLE had the following children:
Charles (c. 1835)
Harriet (c. 1838)
Charlotte (3 Apr 1840) (my great x3 grandmother; married Henry Nicholas Dearlove 3 Nov 1862)
Ann (c. 1845)
Joseph (c. 1848)
I'd love to be able to track down the Harriet Start/John Cole marriage and the Charles Start/Ann ? marriage for starters, but any other ideas/pointers/discoveries on the families would be very gratefully received.
thanks a lot for reading and for any help you can provide.
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Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens Marylebone & Sussex: Cole London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman Bowland: Marsden, Noble Shropshire: Guest Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Annette7
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At the risk of putting another spanner in the works, there appears to be a lot of interchanging between START and STURT in Sussex. I found the following entry on IGI:
Harriet STURT bp.22/12/1805 Felpham, dau. of John and Martha
(Also found under STURT a marriage of Charles Sturt and Ann Fidler 26/12/1807 Pagham, Sussex who had children 1815, 1810 and 1818 in Climping, Sussex).
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Annette7
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Meant to add that Thorp, Essex is actually Thorpe Le Soken.
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Annette7
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John Sturt and Martha had the following children:
Charles bp.21/7/1800 Climping
Thomas bp. 4/7/1802 Felpham
Edmund bp. 5/2/1804 Felpham
Harriet bp. 22/12/1805 Felpham
John bp. 24/4/1808 Felpham
Mary bp. 6/5/1810 Felpham
James bp. 31./8/1812 Felpham
The Charles could be the Charles Start who married Felpham in 1822.
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Aulus
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The black sheep: Florence Stevenson née Hampson
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Thanks everyone.
I'm not quite sure how it's taken me a year to notice these replies <cue deep embarassment  >.
I hadn't thought of Sturt. Do Start and Sturt sound very similar in a Sussex/Hampshire accent/dialect? I've done my usual trick of trying to say them both in a comedy yokel accent and I think they sound pretty similar.
That IGI record for Harriet Sturt, daughter of John & Martha Sturt ties in very well with the censuses (1851, 61, 71 and 81) that give her birth as around 1806 in Felpham. (Incidentally, it's interesting that there are three Harriet Sturts baptised in 1805 in Sussex!)
I'm now thinking the IGI baptism of Harriot Start 24 April 1808 in Birdham, Sussex to Charles and Ann Start is a red herring. Not sure how to be more certain though.
But what triggered me looking to see if I'd posted anything before about Harriet Start is that I've just got the transcripts of the Felpham parish registers.
Unfortunately, these transcripts (from the Parish Register Society) don't have a Harriet Sturt baptised in Felpham 22/12/1805. That's the difficulty of transcripts of course. Easy to miss a record. I'll post a lookup request in case anyone can spare the time to look at the registers. Can't think how the IGI would make it up.
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Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens Marylebone & Sussex: Cole London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman Bowland: Marsden, Noble Shropshire: Guest Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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only this one for a Charles Start which is too late.