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1851 census look-up. William Vernall
« on: Sunday 09 September 07 15:32 BST (UK) »

I am struggling to find the parents of a William Vernall or Vernals. I have him in the 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses in Walsall & Birmingham. From these it appears he was born in Avenbury HER about 1834 & I think I have him in Worcester in 1861, but in all these he had left home. In the 1841 census there appear to be 3 William Vernalls born around 1834 in Herefordshire and living in Avenbury. I don't have access to the 1851 census for Herefordshire but am hoping that there might be some information there which might help me decide which William is the one I want.
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Re: 1851 census look-up. William Vernall
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 September 07 16:38 BST (UK) »

this is'nt your lucky day.
there are two william vernalls born in avebury in the 1851 census one born 1833 and one born 1836
unfortunately they are both servants and both living away from home
1833 birth HO107/1980/193/12.
1836 birth. HO107/1980/314/4.
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Re: 1851 census look-up. William Vernall
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 September 07 17:18 BST (UK) »

Thanks "Wozzle"

I will have to do a bit of "family reconstruction". Unfortunately the IGI isn't very good on Avenbury. My William appears to have worked with horses most of his life. In the transcription of the 1861 census I have he is described as "house breaker"!!!!!! but the original shhet is fairly clear as "horse breaker"

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Re: 1851 census look-up. William Vernall
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 September 07 19:30 BST (UK) »

Popular name Vernal/Vernall/Vernalls. and it is still around the area today.

The IGI shows a birth for a William Solloway Vernall in 1833 son of Thomas and Mary in Avenbury.
They had a daughter too called Emmet.

There was a Thomas Vernall marrying Mary in 1834, another Thomas Vernall marries a Mary in 1820, James Vernall marries Mary in 1829, and William Vernall marries Esther in 1822, all In Avenbury.

One of the Williams married an Emma in Avenbury in 1868.
So he is not yours as your William was away by then.

Do you have any other clues such as marriage certificates with witnesses on or a father's occupation ?

Perhaps we could try to follow the 3 Williams on the 1841 Census through for elimination. What were the details of the 1841 Vernalls in Avenbury ?
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Re: 1851 census look-up. William Vernall
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 September 07 21:49 BST (UK) »

Perhaps I should say that the Vernalls are not part of my family, but I am doing the research for a friend whose husband is ill, and who doesn't have a computer. She had collected info on 2 or 3 generations and I am trying to go back further for her.
I do not have a marriage cert for William who married a Charlotte Constant in Birmingham in 1863, but I think I will have to send off for it.

There are 25 Vernall (& variants) in Avenbury in the 1841 census in 4 different households.  
There is a William, aged 7, living with Mary Vernall aged 45 and Elizabeth aged 4, presumably his mother and sister.  I think that Mary was probably the Mary George, wife/widow of Thomas Vernall.

The second William, aged 5, living with:
John Vernals        50
Ann Vernals         50
William Vernals    50
Thomas Vernals   25
Mariah Vernals    20
Ann Vernals         20

There is a John and Ann Vernall who had a daughter Mariah bapt in1816, but so far I haven't found a Thomas or Ann.

Thre is also another William aged 5 living in nearby Much Cowarne, son of a Thomas Vernal and Mary!!!!!!, also in the household Wm and Ann Watkins boh aged 75. This William is the William Watkins Vernalls who is on the Family Search site as the son of Thomas Vernalls and Mary George as an entry with app birth date from an LDS source.

I am continuing with trying to put all the known baptisms into family groups.

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Re: 1851 census look-up. William Vernall
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 September 07 12:31 BST (UK) »


A Thomas Vernalls died in first quarter 1841, so that is posibly the husband of Mary with 7 year old William in 1841 Census.

I do not think she was nee George, as William Watkins Vernalls in the Household of William and Ann Watkins of Much Cowarne is down as the son of Thomas Vernalls and Mary George. 
Could Mary have been a Widow when she was married to Thomas ? Watkins could have been her maiden name, and she is home here with Mum and Dad.

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Re: 1851 census look-up. William Vernall
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 September 07 17:25 BST (UK) »

There is a marriage of Mary Watkins and Thomas George 19/2/1828 at Stoke Lacy, HER. which is close to Avenbury I think. Don't know if there were any children of that marriage, but that's going too far sideways at present.

I'll now try to find the Solloway/Vernall / Taylor ? connection!

I have decided to spend some of my friend's money and get the certificate of William Vernall's  marriage to Charlotte Constant in Birmingham 1863!!!!!

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Re: 1851 census look-up. William Vernall
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 September 07 17:32 BST (UK) »

Wonder if Solloway is a misprint for Holloway ??
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