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cogvos
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Dear all,
Many years ago a family history researcher rang my grandmother and said that they were distantly related. Naturally she was sceptical but he then sent a massive computer print out of his tree and it turns out that they are. Anyway this sparked my interest as I have been struggling with my Cornish roots and quite frankly getting no-where. Well I now have that print out... and I'm still stuck!
The problem is one Mary Ann(e) Hocking. She married John Head at St Johns, Holloway, Middx on 30 September 1867 and according to the certificate her father was John Hocking, a Mason. They called their first son John and he later adopted the middle name Hocking.
Mary Ann's census returns after her marriage state that she was born in Truro Cornwall, around 1845. Problem is that I cannot find *any* Mary Ann(e)s or Marys or Anns born in the GRO in Truro at that time. The closest I can find is one in Redruth, but the father's name is wrong.
To add to the confusion that printout states that Mary Ann Hocking was born in Truro on 5 May 1845. Thing is she isn't listed in the GRO. I have also failed to find her before her marriage in any census. Mary an Hocking is a very common name and I cannot pin any of those I have found listed to the right place or parents.
Is anyone else researching the Hockings? Do you have a Mary Ann who marries a Head in 1867?
J.
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suzard
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There is a John and mary Ann Head -2 eldest children John and Ada - if these are "yours"
in1871 Mary Ann gives her p.o.b. as merthyr Cornwall
and a later census as Trim Cornwall -by 1901 it is Truro Cornwall.
Might this be your family?
or is it a different one?
Are there any witnesses on marriage cert who may be related to mary Ann?
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Picking up on Suzard's find ....
There IS a John Hocking in MERTHER in 1851.
He is a Mason - but old enough to be your lass' grandfather .... so, if theres a chance of illegitimacy, he may have been named on her Marriage Cert - not at all unusual ...
1851 - HO107/1909; Folio: 88; Page: 8 - Merther
Daughters:-
Eliza Hocking 14
Emma Hocking 18
Jane Hocking 16
Also in the Truro District, which covers Merther, theres a couple of 'unamed' entries ..
Births Dec 1844
HOCKING Female Truro Vol 9 Page 294
and ...
Births Sep 1846
Hocking Female Truro Vol 9 Page 233
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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In 1841 John has an older daughter (Mary ... ) not still with him in 1851 .... maybe seeing ifshe marries pre-1851, will find her with a daughter Mary (Ann) with Step-fathers name ?
After a quick look at 3 or 4 candidates, none the wiser ... 
HO107/148/2; Merther; District: 1; Folio: 5; Page: 5
'Crearton'
John Hocking 45 Mason
Ann Hocking 45
Mary Hocking 20
Henry Hocking 10
Emma Hocking 7
Jane Hocking 6
Eliza Hocking 4
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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cogvos
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Hi!
Many thanks for the replies. I guess I should clarify the state of the family after Mary Ann and John married, apologies for not doing so earlier.
On the Marriage certificate the two whitenesses are William and Elizabeth Rod, both marked. The bride and groom look like they signed *but* the script is identical and looks the same as the rest of the document. So that's a bit odd.
Anyway. They lived in Horsel, Surrey. . In 1871 I have them in Twickenham Row with a son John and Daughter Ada. So this is the family that Suzard found. In 1881 they are in Cheapside Horsell, with 5 additional children ( Amelia, Stephen, Arthur, William and Fredrick) and in 1891 a new child, Ruth. Again these look like the ones that Suzard has. I don't have the 1901 census, but Mary's birth place is Truro in 1891, Trim in 1881 and might be Myrther (it's difficult to read on my copy) in 1871.
I confess that I do not know Cornwall at all well so do not know how each of the above parishes relate to each other, or even if they are parishes.
The Marrage was on Sept 30 1867 and Mary Ann states that she is 22, giving a birth date of around 1845. She's consitant in the census as well, 46 in 1891, 35 in 1881 and 25 in 1871.
There are family tales of a 'Betsy' being illegitimate and being born in Cornwall but at present I can't tie this to Mary Ann. Sadly I do not know if Mary is a 1st, 2nd or subsequent child but calling the daughter after the mother was common then so the Mary in Merther could be her mother (particularly as *her* mother is Ann). The problem is that if she is then Mary Ann would be illegitimate as if the elder Mary married she would no-longer be a Hocking (?)
According to free bmd there are 6 Mary/Mary Ann hockings born around 1845, and most of them are in Redruth. Not sure of the unnamed entries, how can I trace them?
Births Jun 1844
Hocking Mary Truro
Hocking Mary Ann Redruth
Births Sep 1845
Hocking Mary Ann Redruth
Births Mar 1846
Hocking Mary Ann Redruth
Births Sep 1846
Hocking Mary Ann Penzance
Hocking Mary Ann Redruth
My problem is that I have tried 2 of these and neither have fathers called John. So I would expect quite a few 4-6 year olds in the 1851 census. Unfortunately I don't have access to Ancestry so can only check by visiting the family records centre in London, till it closes that is!
I guess that the way forward would be to check all the 4-6 year old Hockings in Cornwall and try to find a match. The of course assumes that they are in Cornwall and have not moved, that John is still around, that Mary Ann hasn't been adopted (I've got adopted ancestors on other branches) and so on. Any other pointers/ ideas would be gratefully received!
J
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suzard
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I think I saw an Elizabeth with a Mary Ann -think she was a year older -will back track what I looked at and hopefully post it later tonight.
I think they were born Cornwall but living elsewhere!!!!
But this is all from a passing glance - the Betsey (possibly Elizabeth ?) jogged my memory
Suz
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Many thanks,
I just did a quick BMD check on the deaths of 'John Hocking'. Big mistake there are a few hundred possible! Hopefully you'll find Mary and Elizabeth with him, he's not listed as deceased on Mary Ann's Marrage cert.
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