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Topic: Pre 1881 Lookup Pease - Bartholomew TURNER (Read 600 times)
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bedfordshire boy
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You've been given advice, not criticism.
Member submissions are not records.
Parish registers, censuses, BMD certificates are records
Where there are contradictions reference to the records is the only answer. But if you're not prepared to do that then you're stuck.
You threw your toys out of your pram on your thread on the General board, now you're doing the same on this thread! I would lock this thread too so that people can stop trying to help you.
As you say, GOODBYE
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Thanks for your pm Kas. Let's see if we can help you further:
Lindop family 1891 was indexed as Lindorf, and was amended on ancestry by the same man I contacted for you in Spain, so hope he gets in touch with you, he's obviously researching the same family:
1891 RG12/143 fol.62 p.47 29 Rupert Road, Islington, London
Alfred F. Lindop head mar 28 House Decorator
Mary A " wife " 27
Alfred J.J. " son 7 Scholar
Nellie M. " dau 6 "
Florence M " " 3
Frederick " son 11 months
all born Islington
1901 RG13/161 fol.36 p.63 28 Milton Gr, Islington
Alfred F. Lindop head m 38 House Painter
Mary A. " wife m 37
Nellie M.A. " dau s 16 Housework Domestic
Florence M. " " 13
Frederick " son 10
Charles " " 5
Daisy " dau 3
Lily " " 10 months
all born Islington
Hope this helps,
Barbara
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Sifting out all the member submitted chaff from the extracted wheat on the IGI it boils down to the following:
William Turner married Elizabeth Kempster at Eaton Bray (3 miles from Studham) on 25 Dec 1852. Whether or not this is your William can only be established by either buying the marriage certificate from the GRO or checking the parish register microfilm at your nearest LDS Family History Centre, to get his father’s name.
I cannot find any children baptised to this couple in either Beds or Bucks, but they may not have been baptised or their baptisms may not be on the IGI. But no children from an earlier marriage were living with him in 1880 in Utah. It’s also worth mentioning that in neither his baptism entry nor his possible marriage entry was he called William Henry Turner – the Henry only appears in the US.
I cannot see them in 1861 – if the 1852 marriage really is your William it’s possible that they emigrated before 1861 and Elizabeth died in the US prior to him marrying Victoria Goodey (I am assuming William and Victoria married in the US as there’s no trace of a marriage in the GRO indexes 1861-1865, but it's possible I suppose that all the trees are wrong and they didn't marry in 1863, but later. After all if the trees disagree to the extent of either Barking Essex UK or Salt Lake City Utah then the date could equally be adrift). Bart and Sarah could even have joined them later. I have a couple of ancestors who converted to the Mormon faith and emigrated to Utah in the mid 1850s, and I found a lot of detail concerning them in an LDS Family History Centre on a CDrom and in book extracts on Ancestry (which I cannot now access as I cannot justify nor afford their World de luxe membership)
The 1900 US census gives the year of arrival in the States, which would help to pin down when William arrived there, but I don’t have access to this either. You could try a request on the Emigrants to US board for a look up in 1900
There’s a photo of Bart on http://www.geocities.com/phillott/Bartel.htm
In 1861 there's a Victoria L Goodey 20 servant born Halstead Essex living in West Ham. This appears to be same person who the Americans have as the wife of William Henry, so at least she didn't emigrate until after 1861 - a Goodey website puts the emigration year for the family as 1864, so either this date or the Utah 1863 marriage date must be wrong
David
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I'm going to crack this lot if it kills me!
One or more of the online trees puts Sarah's death as 1868 at Laramie, Wyoming. Fort Laramie was one of the resting places on the Mormon Trail on the way to Utah (two children in my tree died there in 1854 from mountain fever). So this puts Sarah and probably Bartle as emigrating later than their son William.
Another site, which seems to be pretty well researched, at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hollyweb/goodey.htm
has Louisa Goodey, who I take to be Victoria Louisa, as emigrating in 1862. But this site also gives the marriage as being in Barking in Jan 1863, which is an obvious anomaly. The link to Jane's diary is interesting - I think this extract is probably taken from one of the LDS Cdroms.
The fact that so many of these trees spell Ivinghoe as Ivanhoe says to me that one person made the original error and the rest just copied it, so there's no research or thought gone into producing the tree.
If William and Victoria Louisa or Louisa Victoria did marry in Utah, which from the circumstantial evidence seems to be the case, it's quite likely they met there, as there's no indication of any link between them in England.
David
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Put me out of misery!
When did they marry in Barking as I've not been able to find anything on FreeBMD?
David
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