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jillruss
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Gt Gt Grandfather Shepherd 1827-1910
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According to their marriage certificate, my great great grandparents Charles Shepherd and Jane Campbell were both living in Lilly's Buildings, Worcester when they married in 1856 at St Peter The Great Church.
I wondered if anyone knew anything about these buildings? I tried googling and came up with the name of a William Lilly - an astrologer who apparently came from Worcester. I've no idea if there's any connection.
I'm hoping that, finding something out about the buildings, or even the area, might help me figure out how/why they both ended up in Worcester.
Charles was from Aberdeen and was working as a gardener in nearby Kincardineshire on the 1851 census. Jane was born in Perth and was a book binder still living with her parents in Edinburgh in 1851.
So, in the 5 years between 1851 and their marriage in Worcester, what made them move to Worcester? Did they move there independently of each other and then meet in Worcester or did they meet first and then move to England?
I may never know!  I just thought Lilly's Buildings might possibly be a clue. Perhaps someone with a good knowledge of the history of Worcester might be able to throw some light on this?
I'd be grateful for any help.
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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StintonLomas
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Hi
I have just tried to log in to Worcs' people etc.
To ask the Q for you.
But it seems there is a problem on the site at the moment, it recognized my login but won't go to the discussions page.
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Malmesbury- Bishop.
Gloucestershire-Bishop,Hicks,Higgs,Hill,Hooper,Hopkins,Pitcher,Robertson,Stinton,Terret,Woodruff.
Worcestershire-Stinton.
Devon- Borrough or Burrow.
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Nemo
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Hi Jill
According to Bentley’s Worcester Directory of 1841 Lilly’s Entry and Lilly’s Buildings were in Sidbury Street. On old maps this road seamlessly joined Friar Street, but was situated in St Peter’s parish, which would explain why the marriage took place in St Peter the Great church
Friar Street and adjacent areas were made up of long narrow medieval burgage plots and the gardens were built over in the 18th and 19th century with courts and cottages and the area became rundown.
http://www.worcestercitymuseums.org.uk/content/oldpics/friar/70004p.htm
In 1735 Mrs John Lilly lived at no 36 Friar Street, on the east side just within the then old Friar Street boundary. It may be that it was her family or descendants who erected Lilly’s Buildings, but not necessarily adjacent to the property she was living in.
I am not certain where the boundary between Sidbury Street aka Sidbury and Friar Street would have been in 1856, but the preliminary pages of the census enumerator’s report for the relevant district in the 1861 (or 1851) census, will detail the route undertaken to cover the 100 or so households within the enumerator’s district. As the census was usually enumerated by civil parish area the description of the route undertaken should give you a better idea of where Lilly’s Buildings was actually situated. Hopefully SKS will do a look-up for you if you don’t have access to one of the pay-to-view census websites.
HTH
Nemo
Sources
Bentleys 1841 Directory of Worcester
Worcester Streets – Friar Street by Pat Hughes and Nick Molyneux published 1984
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Nemo
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Hi Jill
I agree with Willow about rellies and friends.
The witnesses to Charles and Jane’s marriage were William Holloway and Annie Smith, are either of them connected to Charles and Jane?
Jane did not declare an occupation when she married, so perhaps she was already living with Charles and being supported by him. Or, could she have only just moved into the area in time for the banns to be read?
Charles’ father, who was also a gardener, where was he living at the time of the 1861 census?
You said that Charles was working as gardener in 1851, do you know the name of person for whom he was working? That might give us a clue.
While I was at the Worcester Family History Centre I also quickly checked out Worcester Trade Directories 1855 and 1860. Neither Charles’ name nor William Holloway’s were mentioned.
I found the Museum Service very helpful when I had a specific query about an item in their collection, which was mentioned on their website. I would say contact the County Record Office for advice, but the staff are always extremely busy and may only have time to briefly answer a precise question.
I see on the A2A website that there is a deposit at the Worcestershire Record Office at County Hall of about forty19th century documents including deeds, wills and papers of the Davis and Lilly families relating to property in Lion Walk and Friar Street. I might have time to look at them in November, but perhaps SKS could look sooner!
HTH
Nemo
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