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wrjones
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Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« on: Sunday 16 September 07 09:45 UTC (UK) »
I am currently involved in a somewhat intense three way discussion regarding my Parry ancestors of Llangollen Denbighshire.The focus of the discussion is centred around whether the Parish Register entries are to be taken as the final word,or whether notice should be taken of the conflicting "submitted" entries to the IGI.Whilst I concede it can be confusing,in the final analysis,we have to take the entries in the Parish Register as the true records.

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William Russell Jones
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Re: Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 September 07 10:09 UTC (UK) »
Hi
Submitted records may be correct but it does mean you are relying on another person's research and do not know the original source of the information so they need to be treated with caution.  It may be accurate or it may be guesswork.   Any date that says "about 1840" for instance is suspect.    Extracted records are taken from the parish register and are thus more likely to be correct but as with any transcription you should always look at the original.  You can get the film of the register to search at your nearest LDS centre then you will have seen the entry yourself.  There have been various threads recently about the IGI and you might find it informative to look for them as they explain the real purpose of the IGI, which is to record ordinances within the LDS church, not just a list for us family historians.  Incredibly useful though it is!
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Re: Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 September 07 10:32 UTC (UK) »
               Yes Andrea,I don't myself totally disregard such "submitted" entries to the IGI,but where they conflict with the Parish Register entries I have seen,I take the Parish Register entries to be the correct record of events.
              Of course where there is a lack of the original Parish Registers,they can be useful,but even then they should only be taken as a rough guide.

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William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Re: Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 September 07 20:22 UTC (UK) »
Always take the parish register entry as the correct version of events.  They will be the earliest version of the facts that you'll be able to access, and won't be affected by the inevitable mistakes that are made in transcription to the IGI.
Even the Bishop's Transcripts can be misleading at times...recently someone wrote to the record office asking to check a baptism she'd got from the BTs with that in the PRs.  The BTs had given the mother's name as Mary, the PRs had her as Margaret...abbreviated to Margt.
That's not to say any transcribed version is going to be inherently inaccurate, it's just always best to check against the original PRs yourself if you want to be certain your tree is accurate.
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Re: Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 September 07 11:12 UTC (UK) »
some of the IGI submitted entries are the best geuss that the person submitted them have at their age and are not all techncially correct although others can be.

for example if the researcher has found a marriage for A N Other in 1780 in a certain parish they would just take off 21 years of the age and put A N Other b. circa 1759 in that area.

it could of course have been their second or even third marriage and they would have therefore been born a lot earlier than the 21 years assumed by the submitter.

can you see what i am getting at ? there is lots of rambling here but i hope it makes sense
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Re: Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 September 07 11:48 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Simon G. on Sunday 16 September 07 20:22 UTC (UK)
Always take the parish register entry as the correct version of events.  They will be the earliest version of the facts that you'll be able to access, and won't be affected by the inevitable mistakes that are made in transcription to the IGI.
Even the Bishop's Transcripts can be misleading at times...recently someone wrote to the record office asking to check a baptism she'd got from the BTs with that in the PRs.  The BTs had given the mother's name as Mary, the PRs had her as Margaret...abbreviated to Margt.
That's not to say any transcribed version is going to be inherently inaccurate, it's just always best to check against the original PRs yourself if you want to be certain your tree is accurate.

Well put Simon, for pre civil registration events the PR has to be the primary record. I also, have found errors in BTs - the one that gave me the most grief was when my ancestor's birth date was given to his brother & he was omitted from the transcript!  Until I found someone to check the PRs I was seriously considering that he had changed his name.

If submitted IGI records contain exact dates, I give them more credence than a date which says abt yyyy but in either case Parish records take precedence.

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Re: Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 September 07 11:55 UTC (UK) »
Having seen William's reply to my post I gather he was not asking a question but stating a fact which I had not understood when I initially replied.
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Re: Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 September 07 13:29 UTC (UK) »
Don't worry about it Andrea,its the way I write it!

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William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Re: Parish Registers/Submitted Entries IGI
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 September 07 13:38 UTC (UK) »
The other thing about submitted entries is to try to find out when they were submitted.  For early entries in the IGI the Mormon Church had very little interest in dates, their only interest was the relationship so that they could adopt their ancestors into their church.
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