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« on: Monday 17 September 07 13:26 BST (UK) »

Hi,

I am looking for an Amos Fowler, born in Harlington in 1844 on the 1861 census.

In 1851 he is liviing at home in Harlington - By 1871 He is in Prison.

Where could he be in 1861?

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« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 September 07 13:39 BST (UK) »

HI JIM

There is a Amos Fowler on Blars web site for Bedford Jail around this time For stealing a rabbit trap and some leather leggings  http://apps.bedfordshire.gov.uk/grd/

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I have pm'd the details to you
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 September 07 13:57 BST (UK) »

Hi,
Thanks Rosie, thats certainly him.

So if he got sentanced to 18 months in October 1859, then he may have still been in Prison in the 1861 Census?

Can anybody see him?

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 September 07 14:11 BST (UK) »

Hi

The information states that he was aka James Fowler and that he had gone to Parkhurst Prison if that is any help to anyone who can search census details.

Rosie

Sorry web site should have been
http://apps.bedfordshire.gov.uk/grd/
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 September 07 14:21 BST (UK) »

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RG9 1004 73 1
3 UPPER EAST END, HARLINGTON

THOMAS FOWLER HEAD MAR 56 AG LAB HARLINGTON
ANN DO 52 HARLINGTON
ALFRED DO SON 20 AG LAB WOBURN
JAMES DO SON 18 AG LAB HARLINGTON
NATHANEL DO SON 14 AG LAB HARLINGTON
JOSIAH DO SON 12 AG LAB HARLINGTON
ANN DO DAU 11 STRAW PLAITER HARLINGTON
EBAN DO SON 9 STRAW PLAITER HARLINGTON
EGER DO SON 6 SCHOLAR HARLINGTON

Hope it helps

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DANBY & WHITBY  - JEFFELS
LIVERPOOL - GANDER
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 September 07 14:56 BST (UK) »

Parkhurst prisoners are only identified by initials, but there's no-one incarcerated born Bedfordshire

Amos came between James and Nathaniel in 1851, so he's not the James that Jane found

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 September 07 15:17 BST (UK) »

Like you say David, Amos came between James and Nathaniel, so would have been about 16-17.

Its an odd one, I have been researching the fowler family now for a couple of years, but this census has really got me stuck.

There was one record somebody found when I asked before (a few yeasr back) - an Amos Fowler aged 17 staying in Castleford I think, although it also said he was born there.

Can you see this one? What do you think?

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 September 07 15:21 BST (UK) »

Hi Jim
This could well be him
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1861
Unknown Prison, Wootton, Isle of Wight

A F Prisoner 18 Laborer Beds Arlington

RG9/655/179 Pg10

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 September 07 15:42 BST (UK) »

Hi Jim
Have you seen his gaol record for 1868? Same link you already have. He certainly was a naughty boy and stiff sentences did nothing to deter him. You can order his photograph, how exciting Cheesy
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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« Reply #9 on: Monday 17 September 07 15:47 BST (UK) »

Hi,

Wow! That looks like it's going to be him! Obviously meaning Harlington rather than Arlington!

Can anybody elaborate on what it measn by unknown prison?

I presume the Wootton name is just coincidence (the same as  Bedfordshire Village!)
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« Reply #10 on: Monday 17 September 07 15:53 BST (UK) »

I've tried to establish the name of the prison but without luck. Wootton  is near Newport, Isle of Wight and thus near Parkhurst Prison. There was another prison in this area called Albany but according to
http://www.institutions.org.uk/prisons/England/HAM/hampshire_prisons.htm
it wasn't built till 1867. So it is a bit of puzzle.

Jan Wink

George Hall Governor of this unknown prison was Governor of Parkhurst in 1851
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 September 07 16:34 BST (UK) »

Hi Jim
It must be Parkhurst as according to this site

http://members.aol.com/Jillchmbrs/homepages.html

George Hall was governor there from 1843 to 1864 when it closed as a boy's prison. The page with the name of prison on it must have come adrift from the other images

Jan ( relieved to have solved a mystery)  Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 September 07 16:42 BST (UK) »

Hi,

It does make sense as his Gaol Record says he was deported to Parkhurst

http://apps.bedfordshire.gov.uk/grd/detail.aspx?id=23275

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« Reply #13 on: Monday 17 September 07 16:44 BST (UK) »

Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh what a bad boy he was, nice to find something interesting, or to me it would, as mine are all very boring ag labs and blacksmiths etc.


Good luck Jim

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MONAGHAN & CRAMLINGTON - RICE
LAZENBY - HANSOM, HARRISON, NODDINGS, EASBY
BARNBY DUN - HARVEY, BLANCHARD
DANBY & WHITBY  - JEFFELS
LIVERPOOL - GANDER
SKELTON & ESTON - SEATON
BEDALE & MIDDLESBROUGH - STEPHENSON
BROUGHTON - HARRISON
MIDDLESBROUGH - WARD,FOSTER
PINCHINTHORPE -  POSTGATE
BILSDALE- BOYES


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« Reply #14 on: Monday 17 September 07 17:38 BST (UK) »

If you do order his photo do post it on the main Bedfordshire board so we can all have a look Cheesy
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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