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liza99
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Hello helpers
Trying to find out if John Troughear, a master mariner in the 1800s, is a relative. There is a family story that my grandmother's uncle was a sea captain.
I have found a Troughear family living in Liverpool on 1861 census foll. The husband didn't appear, but wife on 1861, Mary Ann Troughear was born in Distington, Cumberland, is listed as 'master mariner's wife', and eldest son is called John. This family appears on an ancestry world tree, the father being John Troughear, master mariner, nothing known.
My ggrandmother had an older brother John chr 1/8/1830 Brigham, parents Edward Trohear (alternative spelling) & Elizabeth Walker who married 20/12/1828 Brigham (info from IGI).
I have found the family on 1841 census in IOM & 1851 census in Birkenhead, Cheshire, not far from Liverpool. John is not with them. I can't find him anywhere. I suppose he could have died young but I couldn't find a death on IGI.
Are there any records of mariners & master mariners in Cumberland which would give details of my relative John if he went to sea at an early age?
I would appreciate any help to find him.
Thanks, Liza
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Forthefamily
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Did you ever find out anything more?
I found Mary in 1871 and in 1881 but no John. By 1881 she is a widow living with her three sons and some boarders.
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Forthefamily
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Chickadee......
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Also 1891 and 1901.
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GeoffE
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I have found a Troughear family living in Liverpool on 1861 census foll. The husband didn't appear, but wife on 1861, Mary Ann Troughear was born in Distington, Cumberland, is listed as 'master mariner's wife', and eldest son is called John.
Eldest son in 1861 was Thomas ( 8 ), with John (5) and Sarah A (1).
A possibility is that their father was
John TROUGHEAR (lodger,unm) 30 Mariner, Cockermouth (as shown in 1851) in Liverpool (HO107/2181/940/29) -
He could well have been the John TROUGHEAR bap at Isel in 1821, son of Thomas and Sarah.
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liza99
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Hi Mab & GeoffE
Thank you both for the info. It's a while since I posted this and thought I wasn't going to get any replies, then 2 of you answer at the same time! I haven't made any further progress in the meantime.
Sorry about the mistake saying 'John' was the eldest child - wrote them down the wrong way round off census!
Well it looks like you have found the master mariner who goes with the family in Liverpool, GeoffE. The age on 1851 fits with the bap at Isel in 1821. Also the names of the children on 1861 match his own name + the parents listed on bap record. So it very much looks like this is all the same person.
The only thing is, it cannot be my relative! My relative John Trohear was bap Brigham 1/8/1830 according to IGI, parents Edward Trohear and Elizabeth (nee Walker). A different place of baptism, different parents and 9 years difference in age. Oh well, at least it has ruled this particular possibility out.
I checked IGI for a death, but have realised since that IGI has very few death records. So it is still possible John Trohear died young. He wasn't on 1841 or 1851 censuses with his parents.
Did you have access to parish records to get the Isel bap, GeoffE? Would you mind checking the Brigham bap to confirm the IGI record I found, and also see if you can find a death? I would greatly appreciate it.
Hope you will be able to help.
Thanks again,
Liza
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liza99
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Hi GeoffE
Thanks for clarifying, and also looking up National Burial Index, which I didn't know existed.
Best to check as well for the death on the parish records, 1830-1841 (family were in Isle of Man in 1841), so if anyone out there can help with that it would be great.
Thanks again
Liza
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 hi sorry to take a long time to reply, but i dont get much opportunity to enjoy delving into the past, anyhow if you google whitehaven shipping, you will get a handfull of sites listing master mariners(capts) and their ships and often what cargo was listed,
thats what i have been doing (off work with man flu),and i found all the west cumbrian ports and ships listed, and found my ancestor,he was also mentioned on the www.cultrans.com, a site for old cumbrian newspapers, it contains shipping news amongst other things,
bye, wodell
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liza99
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Hi Wodell
Sorry for not replying sooner.
Although the master mariner I thought I'd found turned out not to be my relative after all, there are lots of mariners in this branch of my ancestry and I am interested in having a look at the sites you mention.
Thanks very much.
Liza
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