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Martin Briscoe
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Has anyone mentioned this book here?
Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Some of the ruined crofts, farms and dwellings in Glassary Parish with names of people who once inhabited them
Allan Begg
Argyll and Bute Library Service
Published with the assistance of The Natural History and Antiquarian Society of Mid-Argyll 2002
ISBN 1-903041-04-X
It is a spiral bound A4 book with some colour photographs, lists ruined crofts etc as in the title.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Hi,
Don't think it has been mentioned, so thankyou you for bringing it to our attention.
Rod
Victoria
Australia
I have a copy here if anyone wants a place checking.
Martin Briscoe
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Martin Briscoe
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Another few books that could be of interest to people outside the area. I picked this one up last week and reading at the moment.
Lost Argyll
There are two others from the same publisher that I have had for a year or so.
Villages of Southern Argyll
and
Villages of Northern Argyll
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Teresa in Wirral
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Hi Martin,
Please would you be able to tell me if theres anything on these places.
Glassary (is it a small village?), Dalavich (think this might be a different parish) and a place that looks like Dunsmuck or Dunimuck. I have a Catherine Downie born in Dunsmuck/Dunimuck in 1809. Her parents were John Downie of Dalavich and Anne Thomson/McTavish of Glassarymarried in 1797.
Thank you
Teresa
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REA Co Antrim- Drumcrow, Tickmacrevan
Brownsbay, Islandmagee and Larne.
YOUNG Co Antrim - Drumcrow and (Glenarm),Tickmacrevan.
GEORGE Co Antrim - Carrickfergus, Magheramorne, Glynn, Larne and Belfast.
McKINNEY/McKENNY Co Antrim - Magheramorne and Larne.
CONLY Co Antrim Drumcrow Tickmacrevan
KANE Co Antrim Drumcrow Tickmacrevan
Plus Looking for Hector Ferguson and Helen Stewart, Michael Mcdonald and Rose Gorman (County Antrim? 1750-1850)
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Martin Briscoe
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Hi Martin,
Please would you be able to tell me if theres anything on these places.
Glassary (is it a small village?), Dalavich (think this might be a different parish) and a place that looks like Dunsmuck or Dunimuck. I have a Catherine Downie born in Dunsmuck/Dunimuck in 1809. Her parents were John Downie of Dalavich and Anne Thomson/McTavish of Glassarymarried in 1797.
Thank you
Teresa
I am not sure of the origin of the Glassary name, there is Kilmichael Glassary where the church is located but I can't see anywhere just called Glassary. You can get a 1:50000 map on this site (zoom out, drag to new location then zoom in). The only Glassary in CANMORE, the RCAHMS database, is Kilmichael Glassary.
Dalavich is on the shore of Loch Awe and is in Kilchrenan & Dalavich.
Dunamuck is just North East of Cairnbaan. Dunamuck Cottage NR 841 911 and Dunamuck around NR 843 922. It is described in the book as
There were quite a few dwellings here and once there also was a mill. The 1890 Valuation Roll shows eleven cottars' houses.
It has a list of deaths from 1855, there is a Dugald McTavis (80) Mason in 1886. Alex. MacTavish born 1855. Gravestone in Kilmory Graveyard of Jane MacTavish died 1871 aged 89. But no Downie or Thomson. Incidentally the next page is Dunardy which is described as the ancestral home of the MacTavishes. There is no name index but I can't see Downie on a quick flick through the pages but can't guarantee there are none there.
From CANMORE
Dunamuck
Type of Site: Township
NMRS Number: NR89SW 58
Map reference: NR 8434 9225
Parish: Kilmichael Glassary
Council: Argyll And Bute
Former District: Argyll And Bute
Former Region: Strathclyde
Archaeology Notes
NR89SW 58 8434 9225
A township, comprising eleven roofed buildings, one of which surrounds a courtyard, one unroofed building and three enclosures is depicted on the 1st edition of the OS 6-inch map (Argyllshire 1873, sheet clx). Two roofed, two unroofed buildings and three enclosures are shown on the current edition of the OS 1:10000 map (1989).
Information from RCAHMS (AKK) 18 May 1999.
If you go to CANMORE and select CANMAP, zoom in to the area and you will get a 1:10000 map with dots linking to any references in CANMORE.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Thank you Martin,
off to find the places on the map.
Teresa
I think that Argyll & Bute Council have some very large maps available on their planning website, they show individual buildings but the site is really awkward to use from what I remember!
You will get good detailed maps at CANMAP.
Also always worth checking the National Museum of Scotland has they have lots of old maps online.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Hello Martin
can you please tell me if Barradaroch is mentioned in the book my family of Galbraiths/Galbreaths lived there
kindest regards
aeroqueen
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Martin Briscoe
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Hello Martin
can you please tell me if Barradaroch is mentioned in the book my family of Galbraiths/Galbreaths lived there
kindest regards
aeroqueen
Sorry not in the book.
Where is it, I can't find the place in CANMORE.
Martin Briscoe
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Martin, do your books have any info on the location of Silvercraigs, Glassary parish, which is on the point of land between Loch Gilp and Loch Fyne, and which is still on the maps. Time period of interest: late 1700's.
Thanks,
Peggy Brodie
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Martin Briscoe
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Martin, do your books have any info on the location of Silvercraigs, Glassary parish, which is on the point of land between Loch Gilp and Loch Fyne, and which is still on the maps. Time period of interest: late 1700's.
Thanks,
Peggy Brodie
Sorry but it does not have any settlements shown South of the road on that headland, just West Otter on the next one to the North East.
They seem to have gone by names and locations on gravestones which are recorded by each place names.
It has Ballimore, Tomdubh, Acres, Ardnaherir, Drimfuar, Carrick, Drimgarbh along just North of the road (though Ballimore seems to be South the current aligment) going West to East. And West Otter which was presumably the Western end of the ferry.
CANMORE
Archaeology Notes
NR88SE 5 NR 889 845
Prior to a redevelopment, including the demolition of a small 19th-century stone building, a programme of archaeological
works consisting of an evaluation and historic building recording was undertaken in June 2005. An early map ref erence suggested that a mill may have been present on this site. The field evaluation consisted of five trenches totalling 35m in length. This included a section across the wall of the stone building. The evaluation failed to yield either significant arch aeological deposits or artefacts. The building proved to be an outbuilding associated with a 19th-century farmstead. No earlier features or artefacts were identified.
Archive to be deposited in NMRS.
Sponsor: Mr Graham.
D Wilson 2005
References
Wilson, D (2005 c)
'Silvercraigs, Lochgilphead (Kilmichael Glassary parish), evaluation; standing building recording'
Discovery Excav Scot, 6, 2005, 30,
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Have you had a look in GOOGLE BOOKS?
Views and notices of Glasgow in former times - Page 99
by Robert Stuart - 1848
SILVERCRAIGS' LAND, &c. THE first in point of antiquity of the buildings represented
in ... one of which bore the gyron quarterings of the family of Argyll, ...
The Highlands and Western Isles of Scotland, Containing Descriptions of ... - Page 62
by John Macculloch, Walter Scott - Highlands (Scotland) - 1824
A ruined castle, built by the Argyll family, looks down from the bill above; and,
... The anchorage of Silvercraigs, near Loch Gilp, is one of the most ...
Several others and could be more with a different search pattern, these are fully downloadable books.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Thank you very much-- I'll look at those this evening. The info on Drimfuar is also helpful, I hadn't been able to locate that settlement. Can you tell if Drimfuar and Drim are the same place?
Peggy
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Thank you very much-- I'll look at those this evening. The info on Drimfuar is also helpful, I hadn't been able to locate that settlement. Can you tell if Drimfuar and Drim are the same place?
Peggy
Druimfuar
"Druimfuar lies on the hills between the old settlement of Achnaba and the present Achnaba above the road which starts at the end of the 'cutting', about half a mile from Ballibeg, and joins the road leading into the hill from Blue Rock holiday flats."
Deaths
Hugh Dewar (1) - 1856
Nancy MacFarlane (87) - 1859
Malcolm Brodi (85) Fisherman 1859
"This was a crofting settlement which was cleared possibly earlier than 1859"
It quotes a hearing "into complaints by crofters held at Tarbert 17th April 1894, Peter Whyte of Silvercraigs named the following tenants: widow Campbell, Duncan Dewar, Hugh MacEwan and John Maclarty. It seems likely that they would have been evicted before 1859 as the old people in the list of deceased would not have been crofting. Whyte, in his evidence, stated that as far as he knew the last clearances had been around 32 years before 1894. He couldn't recall the earlier ones. I think perhaps Lagna-hullaidh on the shore may been the last"
"The people of those crofting settlements had been cleared three times.
There are three or more ruined buildings"
Druimgarbh
"These are possibly the next croft ruins along from Druimfuar. There are two houses and other buildings. Above, on the bank, is an old quern and I what I think could be a kiln for drying corn. It hasn't been occupied for a long time"
"At the same meeting in Tarbert, two tenants are named, Kenneth Brodie and Duncan MacEwan."
Send me your EMail address in a Private Message and I will send a scan of the map which identifies some settlements.
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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