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English Daisy
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Catherine Jane Hayes
Born 1857 ish
Dec. Quarter
West Derby, Lanc.
vol 86 page 340
Engraved on John Hayes tombstone in Flaybrick Cemetery,
Birkenhead, Cheshire is the name Catharine Jane Bartlet, age 40,
died Dec. 14, 1897.
I am trying to find out the relationship of Catharine to John Hayes.
Any help you can give me would be appreciated.
English Daisy
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deeiluka
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English Daisy, do you have any details for John Hayes?
In 1861 there are more than one Catherine Hayes from around that birth year.
......dee
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Hi dee
In 1881 Census, John Hayes head 42, born Elton Green,
Cheshire, Dock Labourer. First wife Sarah died after having
two children and John married a Mary Ann, born Isle of Man,
England. Mary's age in 1881 census was 37.
In 1881 census, John had one child from second marriage,
name Margaret Hayes, 9 yrs, born in Birkenhead, Cheshire.
Lodger in 1881 Census was Thomas Lowe, unmar, 55 yrs old ,
born Liverepool occup. engine fitter.
John Hayes died Dec. 16, 1912 , age 74, occupation: hydrolicsman,
Parish Birkenhead, Church of England
John Hayes parents, Mary and Robert Hayes, (a butcher), married in
1826, in Liverpool. They migrated to Elton Green, Cheshire, St. Mary's
Church in Thornton-le-Moors Parish where they had 11 children, one
of them John Hayes in 1838. Their eldest child was born in Elton Green
in 1827.
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English Daisy
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English Daisy,
In 1861 John Hayes and Sarah do not have any children with them.
RG9/ 2643/ 15/ 23
I cannot seem to find anything that might help about a Catherine Hayes born around that time that I would be happy to post . Maybe someone else with more knowledge of the area will be able to help.
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Hi dee
Yes, this is proving to be a difficult search to find Catharine Bartlet.
Yesterday, I came across a 1901 Census record showing my
great grandparents, Robert Samuel Preston and his wife, Jane Griffiths
living at 5 Limekiln Lane, District of Wallasey. Civil parish, Poulton cum
Seacombe.
Robert was born May 1849 in Wallasey and Jane was born Dec. 1837
in Llanelly, Car., Wales. They married Oct. 1869. in Liverpool.
Living next door at 6 Limekiln Lane were:
John Herbert Bowen (or Bower ?) head , 31 yrs, Miller (?) Engine Shop,
worker, born in Kerry Montgomeryshire, Wales
Eliz A wife age 35 born Chisbury Wiltshire
Harry Bartlett stepson 8 yrs born in Addlestone, Surrey, Eng.
William J. Bartlett stepson 3 yrs born in Poulton, Wallasey
My grand uncle from Kerry, Montgomery married my grandfather's sister,
Mary Ann Hayes from Poulton cum Seacombe. So they could have had
a possible connection with John Herbert Bowen from Kerry, Mont.
John Hayes's brother Samuel Hayes married a Hannah Griffiths (no
relationship to Jane Griffiths) from Northern Wales. Samuel and Hannah
are also my great grandparents. They lived in Poulton cum Seacombe
close to Robert Preston.
Not sure if all this information is making sense but it does show
how close they lived to one another. However, John Hayes lived with
wife Mary in Birkenhead.
So, Dee if you or any other interested Rootschatter could do a search
for the two Bartlett stepsons and their mother Eliza A listed in the
1901 Census, it would be much appreciated.
Thank you
English Daisy
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English Daisy,
I have been looking at all the Hay* entries and Bartlet* entries for either born in or living in the places you have mentioned, and I can still not see a likely Cath* Hayes or Bartlet. I have used wild card searches so that spelling variations showed up.
Neither can I find Eliz A. Bowen or Bartlet. Even a search for all the Eliz* born Chisbury does not show her in 1891 as either Bowen or Barlet.
Someone else might be able to help you, but I can't, I am afraid. 
......dee
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Hi ShaunJ
Thank you so much for the information on Sanderson. Also,
a thank you to Dee for taking the time to look for Catharine!
Yes, the name, Sanderson, is known to me. In the 1901 Census,
a Lilly Sanderson, niece, age 11 was listed living in John Hayes
home in Birkenhead.
Since, Catharine Jane died in 1897, age 40, John and Mary A. Hayes,
must be caring for her. If Catharine J. married John Bartlett in 1892,
then Lilly was born before this event and that is why she has the
surname, Sanderson.
I searched Cheshire BMD and Free BMD for the birth date of
Catharine J. Sanderson but could not find her.
John's wife, Mary Ann was born on Isle of Man. Since, there are no
Catharine Jane siblings in John Hayes family, she may be the sister
of Mary Ann (surname not known).
Thank you again for your help!
Regards
English Daisy
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Hi Daisy
you getting it sorted out 
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Hi ShaunJ and Ricky 1
I just found a helpful piece of information in my notes
which read:
Lillian Annie Sanderson
Birth registered qrt ending December 1889
Birkenhead
8a 475
This looks like my Lilly! Now, I know who her mother is and why
Catherine's name appears on John Hayes's tombstone!
Lilly's mother must have put her infant daughter in the care of the
couple mentioned in 1891 census, as she was a single mother.
Thanks
English Daisy
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Hi ShaunJ
No clues on the tombstone.
Read:
CATHARINE BARTLET
WHO DIED 14TH DECEMBER 1897
AGED 40 YEARS
(not sure if there was another "T", grass covering the stone)
Thank you for your advice re certificates!
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