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ddhughes
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Where is ?
« on: Tuesday 25 September 07 08:15 BST (UK) » |
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On the 1851 Census,
Catharine Hughes is living in Great Gidding with her daughter Ruth Glover, her place of birth is Norths, Funding. Can any one tell me where this is and in what county.
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Debbie Hughes
Northam
Western Australia
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukAstley, Barton, Charnley, Clayton, Fox, Hoole/hool, Jolly, Knagg, Lambert, Morley, Spencer, Stevens/Stephens, Tyler, Tyson (Preston and surrounding districts) Hughes, Freeman, Plowman (Great Gidding - Huntingdonshire) |
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 08:29 BST (UK) » |
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The writing is not easy. Could it be Finedon, Northamptonshire?
Alternatively the first letter could be a T. 
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 08:54 BST (UK) » |
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I've tried to darken it slightly .. ..
I think the first letter looks like a T .. .. ?
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ddhughes
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 08:58 BST (UK) » |
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I reckon it's a T Too, and the last 3 letters looks like ING, but I've looked under Northumberland and Northampton and no Place names seem to match..could Norths be somewhere else, like in Wales perhaps?
T____ING NORTHS
Debbie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukAstley, Barton, Charnley, Clayton, Fox, Hoole/hool, Jolly, Knagg, Lambert, Morley, Spencer, Stevens/Stephens, Tyler, Tyson (Preston and surrounding districts) Hughes, Freeman, Plowman (Great Gidding - Huntingdonshire) |
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 09:46 BST (UK) » |
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On your earlier post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,254549.0.html
I transcribed it as Finding Norths, which was probably Finedon Northants
On the same page there are other people with identifiable birthplaces in Northants where the county is written as Norths, and numerous Farmers or Farm labs where the F is the same. No chance it could be Wales!
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 10:06 BST (UK) » |
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Thanks Befordshire Boy,
I am only double checking, Richard Hughes (son of William Hughes & Alice Freeman) did marry Catharine Garrat on the 16th Oct 1815. And she died 30 Dec 1859 aged 78. So she wasn't William Hughes' sister as I was led to believe, but his daughter-in-law. I can't find a buriel for Richard, he wasn't transported to Australia like his brother William (Swing Riots), and he isn't mentioned in the 1841 census, but in the 1851 census Catherine is listed as Widow. His last Child was born in 1826, so he died somewhere between 1826 - 1841, and maybe because of the "Swing Riots" he was forced to seek work in other counties and that's why he wasn't in the 1841 census. Don't you just love a good mystery...and Jigsaw puzzles with pieces missing !!!
Thanks to all who have replied...
I agree that Finedon, Northampton is the likely place, only wish IGI batch numbers covered her likely birthdate of around 1792
Debbie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukAstley, Barton, Charnley, Clayton, Fox, Hoole/hool, Jolly, Knagg, Lambert, Morley, Spencer, Stevens/Stephens, Tyler, Tyson (Preston and surrounding districts) Hughes, Freeman, Plowman (Great Gidding - Huntingdonshire) |
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 10:30 BST (UK) » |
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I am still worried about the age of 78 on death in 1859, which is totally at odds with her 1851 age of 59 and 1841 age of 45 (ie 45-49).
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 10:56 BST (UK) » |
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I know what you mean, what I will do is order her death certificate and hopefully this will shed some light. I've often been told that the censuses are not always accurate and Ages could have been rounded up or down to the nearest 0 - 5. I also know that Parish entries can also be misinterpreted so we will see.
Her husband was born in 1794 and the 1841 census has her born abt 1796 and the 1851 has her born 1792, these seem more like the right dates, then the death entry that has her born 1781, but he could have married an older woman.!!!!
Debbie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukAstley, Barton, Charnley, Clayton, Fox, Hoole/hool, Jolly, Knagg, Lambert, Morley, Spencer, Stevens/Stephens, Tyler, Tyson (Preston and surrounding districts) Hughes, Freeman, Plowman (Great Gidding - Huntingdonshire) |
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 10:57 BST (UK) » |
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Sorry to butt in this late in the game but I don't understand why you say her birth date would be around 1792 if you believe she was 78 when she died in 1859??
It would be right if she was 67 which would be in line with the census returns.
I was wondering where you got the information she was 78? If it was from a keyed in transcription it is just possibly a mistake of the transcriber being one key to far over.
dollylee
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 11:04 BST (UK) » |
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It's true that census ages can be unreliable, but here we have two which are consistent.
The only census where ages were rounded was 1841 where ages over 15 were rounded down (not up) to the nearest 5 below, so her 45 in 1841 would have covered an age range of 45-49 ie consistent with her 59 in 1851.
David
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 12:23 BST (UK) » |
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Thank you Seahall,
that is very interesting, going by the dates it all seems correct, looks like Catherine was born before they married (Oh NO.!!!).
The Death of Catherine Hughes Aged 78, is from a CD I received from Patrick Ellis who has transcribed all Great Gidding BDM entries. Yes it could be a typo so I will go with what you have found as it does seem to fit in, do you know if they had any other children besides Catherine?
Debbie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukAstley, Barton, Charnley, Clayton, Fox, Hoole/hool, Jolly, Knagg, Lambert, Morley, Spencer, Stevens/Stephens, Tyler, Tyson (Preston and surrounding districts) Hughes, Freeman, Plowman (Great Gidding - Huntingdonshire) |
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 12:36 BST (UK) » |
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Hi All,
Yes it looks like it is all correct (Seahall) , I've just done a search in An***tory and have discovered a family tree with all the info including John Garratt and Catherine Bailey,who had a daughter Catherine who married Richard (Hews), so I think I will be spending the rest of my night studying all this.
Thank you all for your help, it makes being over the other side of the world not so lonely...
Bye for now
Debbie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukAstley, Barton, Charnley, Clayton, Fox, Hoole/hool, Jolly, Knagg, Lambert, Morley, Spencer, Stevens/Stephens, Tyler, Tyson (Preston and surrounding districts) Hughes, Freeman, Plowman (Great Gidding - Huntingdonshire) |
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Re: Where is ?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 25 September 07 13:13 BST (UK) » |
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?? ?? Married 1783, Catherine born 1791. More legitimate than many!!
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