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Topic: John Luxton birth and marriage (Read 2166 times)
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Michael J
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Hi All,
Many thanks for your interest, and all the helpful suggestions.
The Luxton name and variations seem to have originated in the Devon area, as this is where the majority are found.
The 1992 IGI for Surrey shows Luxons/Luxtons in Surrey from 1546, but only three from our branch - two births and a marriage of John Luxton's children in Kingston from 1840 onwards.
For Devon, the list of Luxton's extends from page 25,443 to 25,468 - with an average of 60 names per page and, of course, it's notoriously incomplete. The Devon pages also have at least 120 John Coles, with 27 or so born between 1800 and 1806. I did buy printouts of all these from Bromley library in the early 1990's, but have been able to confirm only the three Kingston entries. The Cornwall pages have so many Coles entries that I didn't know where to start.
Brian Luxton, the secretary of the Luxton FHS, has compiled numerous trees but has not been able to find any earlier connections to John Luxton/Ursula James. In the 1800's there were several families in Kingston and further into London; these have forenames not usually found in those we are researching.
On the Devon page of GENUKI is a very good article on how the Poor Law worked, http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/Settlement.html
giving some very good reasons why John and Ursula may have had to leave Devon or Cornwall and change their surname, so Jane's suggestion of where to check next seems promising - where could we find these records?
Michael J.
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Michael J
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Sorry, forgot to mention, we have found where John and Ursula are buried - in Bonner Hill Cemetery, Kingston, in separate graves in areas which are now grassed over so no headstones.
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suffolk*sue
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Catherine Sandys, I WILL find out where you went.
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Yes Jane, thats on Ancestry.
The Luxton links that Michael have links to probably have the Luxton/Cole marriage on record and may have followed them up.
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Michael J
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Jane,
Yes, the Kingston University site is where we found that Ursula was buried in the same cemetery as John - previously we only knew of her burial service at All Saints Kingston but couldn't find a grave there. Also, the birth you found of John Q3 1844 is the ninth and youngest child of John and Ursula that we know of.
Sue,
The problem we have with the Robert/Hannah marriage is that neither of these names are in any of the subsequent families. However, we have to try to find whether they had a son John around 1800 - 1805. There are other instances of Luxton/Coles marriages in Devon; William Luxton son of John Luxton and Ann Down had a second marriage to a Mary Coles on 10 Jan 1824, ref correspondance with Brian Luxton.
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Michael J
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It might help clarify everything if we could find when John and Ursula arrived in Kingston, and where their eldest children were born, in the hope that this might give some clues.
John is shown in the census for 1851 & 1861 as a Farm labourer, and lived in the cottages called The Wanderings at Wanderings Farm. The farm was on the eastern corner of the junction of Cambridge Road and Hampdens Road (Bonner Hill Cemetery is at the bottom of Hampdens Road). Are there likely to be any surviving records of this farm, and are they likely to show any details of their workers?
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Michael J
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Hi Jane,
We did think they might have stopped off between Cornwall and Surrey, but couldn't find anything on the IGI fiches for any of the counties in between.
I've just checked all the 6 names you found on Familyhistoryonline, but sad to say none of them have John or Ursula as a parent.
The 9 children and approximate dates we have are:
Maria b.1826 m.1845
Elizabeth b.1830
Thomas b.1833 m.1861
William b.1835
Sarah b.1837 m.1861
Mary Anne b.1839 m.1859
George b.1841
Emma Charlotte b.1844
John b.1844 d.1845
We will have to try the Kingston Local History museum when it's open.
Michael J
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Michael J
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Hi Jane,
Not much progress yet; Kingston Local History Centre have nothing in their archives.
I found the Exeter Cathedral registers on line, but as thought Robert & Hannah are not ours. The only John Luxton mentioned there was married in 1717.
Surrey History Centre could be more promising, they have quite a bit re Norbiton Farm including correspondence from the Farm Bailiff around the right dates. We now have to find whether Wanderings Farm on Norbiton Common was renamed Norbiton Farm - also the Kingston Workhouse had an outlying site on Norbiton Common, in Marsh Lane New Malden, called Norbiton Farm . . . .
The workhouse minute books and other records are at Woking.
Michael J.
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