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Michael J
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Help needed with this brick wall, please, anyone.
I am trying to find the birth of John Luxton, born c.1803 – 1805, and his marriage to Ursula James who was born about the same time as him. I have two Surrey birth certificates in which John is named as the father, with Ursula Luxton formerly James named as the mother. The first is for Mary b.2 Nov 1839 and the second is for George b.13 Dec 1841. I know of 9 children in all from three census records.
In 1841, HO107/1705/26/14, John and Ursula are both 36, living in Kingston Surrey, where they and their children are all down as born 'in county'.
In 1851, HO107/1603/422/14, the ‘where born’ entries are rather indistinct, but possibly John was born in Cheriton Devon and his wife Ursula was born in Launcells Cornwall. Both are aged 47.
The 1861, RG9/455/34/24, just says 'Devonshire' for the parents, both age 58. Incidentally, they seem to age 11 years between each census!
The Surrey death certificates say age 61 for John Luxton in Dec 1864 and age 62 for 'Asella' in Jan 1865.
All the John Luxton births in Devon seem to have been accounted for through the Luxton FHS except the John Luxton illegitimate son of Elizabeth Luxton, baptised 5th Jan 1805 in Wembworthy; and John, son of William Luxen of the parish of Crediton and Ann his wife, baptised at Cheriton Bishop 21st October 1803. No-one seems to know what happened to these two, especially the second as this seems the most likely.
This query was first posted on the Cornwall Rootschat forum re Ursula, and the answers confirm that there is just one marriage in the Cornwall records for an Ursula James, that being the one in Launcells to a John Coles on 15 Aug 1822. The only birth on IGI in Launcells for an Ursula James is 13 Sept 1805, father Thos. James.
Is the Ursula James married to John Luxton the same Ursula who married John Coles  and is the Launcells birth record for the same person? I don't think it could be a second marriage as the Surrey birth certificates for two of her children clearly state 'Ursula Luxton formerly James' and no mention of 'previously Coles'.
I have details of the families after this date, but can't get any further back and would dearly love some help, please.
Michael J.
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Michael J
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Hello Jane,
Many thanks for checking the Surrey Marriage Index, and your thoughts. Yes, it's very frustrating - we've been stuck here for the last 17 odd years.
Before the internet came along I wrote to the Cornwall and Devon FHS's. Cornwalls very kind and helpful researcher checked for a burial at Launcells for both John and Ursula Coles but couldn't find anything - and she looked up to 1900! Nor are there any baptisms for any children under either Coles or Luxton, or a John Luxton/Ursula Coles marriage.
She checked their marriage index between 1813 and 1837 and there is a marriage for Ursula James at Launcells (entry 63 on the Launcells Parish Church marriage register) which confirms she married John Coles, both of the parish, by banns on 15 August 1822. Both made their marks and there are two witnesses (the clerk and a Henry House), but no other details - no ages and no mention of parents etc. This marriage is on the IGI for Cornwall. Devon FHS couldn't find anything at all.
We've tried looking for births and baptisms for their children as this could tell us when they arrived in Kingston, where they remained for the rest of their lives, but have not found anything.
The eldest daughter of John Luxton and Ursula in 1841 was Maria, age 15 and thus born about 1826, as this particular folio gives the exact ages of everyone and hasn't rounded them down to the nearest 5 years. We haven't been able to find where she was born but we do have a copy of her marriage certificate to a Charles Green, horsekeeper, on 18 May 1845, both of full age. We've found what must be her in 1851 at Caroline Place Kingston, HO107/1603/401/4, although Charles isn't home and her place of birth is given as Birmingham  Next door is James and Jane Pett, whose daughter Louisa (13 in 1851) married Maria's younger brother Thomas Luxton on 1 April 1861 at the Independent Chapel Kingston.
Michael J.
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Michael J
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Hello Jane,
Yes, we had considered that but have been unable to find why he may have changed his name, or in which way.
There's three possibilities:
1. He may have had to leave the South-west and change from Coles to Luxton to avoid some problem or other.
2. He may be a Luxton who got married under an assumed name, possibly because of his or his family's reputation.
3. He may be a Luxton who ran off with John Cole's wife! Although intriguing, this is probably most unlikely because we haven't found any other mention of John Coles anywhere.
Most puzzling,
Michael J.
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Michael J
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No, we haven't checked any of those so many thanks for suggesting new avenues to research. 
Because in 1851 he says he was born in Cheriton Devon we will have to start there.
If he was born as John Coles how likely is it that he would change to a step-father's name after marriage?
Michael J.
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Jane Masri
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Michael, did a little digging yesterday. On Familyhistoryonline, I found a burial at St. Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey for John Luxton of Bird Street. Buried 11/11/1810. No age unfortunately but goes to show Luxton's were in Surrey. On the Surrey Burial Index; Robert Luxton buried 11/10/1838, Kingston...very likely one of yours? I had a quick look at FreeBMD to see what was going on & I got the impression that there might be at least two Luxton families in Kingston at the same time as I found birth registrations for a Henry Q2 1844 & a John Q3 1844..I could be wrong on this. I also had a look at those 3 census & agree with you about places of birth & ages. Of course, Maria might not have been THE eldest child but that Kingston burial is the ONLY one in the name of LUXTON or LOXTON.
John Luxton & John Coles are certainly giving the appearance of being the same person
PS. On the TNA wills site there is a Thomas Luxton, Bricklayer of Lambeth Green, Surrey, 28/7/1814. Could be something, could be nothing but again confirms there was a family there in the early 1800's.
sorry forgot to include that Robert Luxton who was buried Kingston was 19 months.
jane
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Found this marriage on Boyds index.
Rob LUXTON
Hannah COLE
1795 - Exeter Cathedral, Devon
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suffolk*sue
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Catherine Sandys, I WILL find out where you went.
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The Cole/Luxton is on Pallots marriage index.
It says Robert Luxton, schoolmaster of St. Pauls and Hannah Cole of the (can't make it out). looks like Clne
Looks like the marriage was by licence.
Maybe someone else can take a look and sort it out. 
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I can only tell you that there's no marriage on the Surrey Marriage Index for a John Luxton, but it mostly covers rural Surrey which includes All saints, Kingston.
Could be his parents???