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Rowanjay
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Twas a long way back :-) very early internet days. And I think I was unfortunate to come across one of the 'Missionaries'
When I lived in Horley, in the late 70s, our street sometimes got two or three 'door steppings' every a month - but lets not get into that one 
But yes as I say there is a family history centre about 15/18 miles from here - I may give it a try - especially now that the garden needs less attention.
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Rowanjay
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well I have John's birth cert - I think!! His mother was Elizabeth Nicholson.
But there seems not to be a marriage to fit the dates and places - as I suspected Thomas and Elizabeth may not ever have officially wed. I guess that was not unusual
what is odd is that according to Freecen the only Elizbeth Nicholson in the 1851 census of approx the right age was from Scotland - and not from Renwick as subsequent census records insist
either I have the wrong birth cert if the plot very much thickens...
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Rowanjay
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Not sure what else to try as I can't get a marriage cert until I can have a rough guess at when and where.
Yes, Freecen is patchy
But on the other hand Elizabeth appears to have been an habitual fibber - none of the info she gives anywhere on census returns etc seems to match up - its as if she enjoyed fun confusing authority so I may well be looking for her with out the real info anyway...
I do have a theory that she may have been an underage run-away and therefore did not want to give her real identity
Or perhaps Thomas was still married to someone else and therefore would/could not marry Elizabeth - he is at least 10 years her senior... so who knows. The cold trails at every turn do seem to hint at some intrigue somewhere along the line.
She marks John's birth cert with an X so was seemingly illiterate.
I may never find out who she or Thomas were I suppose.
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Rowanjay
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There is an Elizabeth Nicholson born in Coglin around the right time - and that is close to Renwick... but as I am unlikely to be able to get to Cumbria top look at records in the forseeable future its not a mystery that will be solved very soon.
But thanks.
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